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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another one heading to tribunal.

105 replies

moofolk · 04/08/2022 14:08

Some gardening will be needed soon methinks.

twitter.com/grittynorthern/status/1555013890295095296?s=21&t=6qWR-vVPNKpC4xfiqJ5K3A

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Datun · 06/08/2022 00:11

Donate away, the more raised, the more funny it is when the loss comes in.

If a 'loss' translates to you as criticism of gender critical reviews being designated as legally discriminatory, then fuck knows what a win is - and good luck with that!

And, just as an aside, for most women, it cost less than a round of drinks.

Cheers 🍻

Helleofabore · 06/08/2022 04:43

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It is always wonderful to have posters come and celebrate their inability to comprehend reality with us.

Keep it coming!

Titsflyingsouth · 06/08/2022 07:00

Happy to dig up a few carrots for this one if necessary.
💜🤍💚

GrittyTruth · 11/08/2022 20:32

Hi everyone. I am the woman who wrote the post on twitter, and my crowdfunder will go live tomorrow. Obviously I'm not going to link to it here as I think that would violate standards.

I can go into more detail now about what happened, or maybe starting a new thread would be better.

In short, I was lecturing cultural studies, to students who had signed up to do music industry related degrees. Some resented having to do any academic topics, some loved it.

For clarity, at the beginning of any lecture about gender, sex, women's rights or feminism, I defined how I would be using the terms sex and gender. I did not discuss trans politics / identities. Partly because of the storm that would likely ensue, partly because it was one session a year and I couldn't possibly do it justice, partly because it's such a small part of such a long history (one module is popular music 1900-1975 plus links to present day), and partly because I'd been explicitly asked not to.

I NEVER told students what to think. I just asked them to read, to listen, and to form their own opinions, which they should rigorously challenge, and academically support (crazy I know).

I also said once in the staff room that I don't like drag, and I reported that female students were uncomfortable talking to a male student support officer who had been sharing naked videos of himself on instagram.

Essentially discriminated against for being a woman, and a feminist. I can start a new thread with more details, and happy to answer any questions.

Terfydactyl · 11/08/2022 20:59

Datun · 04/08/2022 18:24

Okay, I'll give you salivating, but not 'some lawyer'.

Ben Cooper is a God amongst men.

Some lawyer indeed.

And I'll thank you to keep your opinion to yourself about how I spend my millions.

Soooo are you identifying as a millionaire or are you in fact (cue dramatic music) jkr ?
In fact has anyone seen datun in the same room at the same time as jkr?

Also agree about ben the God amongst men.

I think I got such good entertainment from my 20 spot for allison, this might get similar or a bit more come payday.

Manderleyagain · 11/08/2022 22:09

Thanks Gritty. I will keep my eyes peeled for the crowd funder.

GrittyTruth · 12/08/2022 16:15

What a lovely day! Who's out in the garden?

I'll be posting some gardening tips on my twitter feed at 5pm.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 12/08/2022 16:27

DworkinWasRight · 05/08/2022 10:13

I think anyone who regards allegiance to the Suffragette cause as “rancid” is telling us quite a lot about themselves.

Couldn't agree more

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/08/2022 17:09

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Good-o.

Here's a list of causes to donate to. Do make sure to supply screenshots of your donations, otherwise I might think your post was disingenuous attempt to stir, typed with the end of a spoon.

You wouldn't want me to think that, would you.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4184062-Feminist-goals-and-organisations-which-are-working-towards-them

GrittyTruth · 12/08/2022 17:21

Ok.

I absolutely understand that some people don't want to, don't agree, or can't afford to get their hands dirty digging which is a-ok.

I tried to put as much info on the gardening suggestions as possible but also open to other question I want to be as open and honest as possible.

YOU LOT ARE AMAZING AND HAVE BEEN INSPIRING ME THROUGH THE PAST FEW YEARS!!!

twitter.com/grittynorthern/status/1558121132255072256?s=21&t=WcNVP_JblfZCQA20hg8TOg

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/08/2022 17:25

Don't worry. S/he/fae didn't donate to Allison and wouldn't have to you. Fae is just worried we will.

GoodThinkingMax · 12/08/2022 17:41

UCUNoMore · 04/08/2022 17:28

Finally someone suing a university about this. And hopefully the awfulness of the union will be exposed as well. I’ll definitely be gardening.

Problem is, the BIMM isn’t a real university- it’s a network of privately owned FE colleges.

This doesn’t detract from Ms Boardman’s case, but this case won’t necessarily have an impact on universities - at least no more than already heard cases such as Bailey and Forstater.

titchy · 12/08/2022 17:48

Problem is, the BIMM isn’t a real university- it’s a network of privately owned FE colleges.

It's an alternative provider, but registered with OfS who have awarded it university status. So not really problematic.

GoodThinkingMax · 12/08/2022 17:49

And I’ll be gardening. My lectures on feminism pretty much do the sex/gender explanation. It’s pretty fundamental for studying feminist thought of the last 200 years.

I have a permanent position but each time I teach my women’s history module, I await a specious claim of “transphobia.”

catandcoffee · 12/08/2022 17:57

@GrittyTruth your garden is doing well.
I will be along tomorrow to sow some 🥕
Well done you 👏

ickky · 12/08/2022 17:58

More than happy to dead head a few flowers today. Good luck with the funder.

GoodThinkingMax · 12/08/2022 18:01

Oh right @titchy - I just saw all the business details. It’s a private company though, which may mean the Principal who’s appears to have discriminated against @GrittyTruth (picking my words carefully) is a manager and businessman, not an actual academic.

titchy · 12/08/2022 18:03

GoodThinkingMax · 12/08/2022 18:01

Oh right @titchy - I just saw all the business details. It’s a private company though, which may mean the Principal who’s appears to have discriminated against @GrittyTruth (picking my words carefully) is a manager and businessman, not an actual academic.

Doesn't matter - it's still a regulated institution.

titchy · 12/08/2022 18:04

And the discrimination claim is no weaker by dint of their legal status as an employer. Public sector, private sector, charity - all have to abide by Equalities law.

GrittyTruth · 12/08/2022 18:42

GoodThinkingMax · 12/08/2022 18:01

Oh right @titchy - I just saw all the business details. It’s a private company though, which may mean the Principal who’s appears to have discriminated against @GrittyTruth (picking my words carefully) is a manager and businessman, not an actual academic.

This is part of the problem. Students are seen as 'customers' throughout HE, but more so in a private institution.

Had the principal taken any time to get to know me, he'd know how valuable a critical and open lecturer is to students and staff.

As it was, they seem to have been scared of bad press. Which is ironic ...

LK1972 · 12/08/2022 19:01

@GrittyTruth What a lovely day for gardening, good luck - few carrots added to your allotment Smile

GrittyTruth · 12/08/2022 19:21

Thanks for all the carrots!

Igmum · 13/08/2022 07:59

Planted a few spuds this morning and some lettuce (they both go well with carrots). Sorry you're going through this Gritty and FFS men can post naked pictures online but heaven help us if women understand biology.

moofolk · 13/08/2022 16:24

If any concerned prospective parents wanted to share the info with the institution online that might get them thinking.

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 13/08/2022 17:33

Pluvia · 05/08/2022 10:33

You're not aware of Jo Phoenix v Open University, of Raquel Rosario Sanchez v Bristol?

Hard to keep track of all the cases I've read about, and I'm delighted about that! Heroic women one and all, with each case putting an unwelcome spotlight on Stonewall and their acolytes.

In most cases, the judgement, whether fully favourable or not, has added to the mounting pile of evidence other women can use. Remember that judge (in Maya's original case, I think) who found that a belief in the facts of biology was 'not worthy of respect in a democratic society? I bet that woke a few people up!

Does anyone know if someone's keeping a list of all the women's rights/ free speech cases that have come to court since the trans stuff began?