Another one heading to tribunal.

[moofolk]

Some gardening will be needed soon methinks.

twitter.com/grittynorthern/status/1555013890295095296?s=21&t=6qWR-vVPNKpC4xfiqJ5K3A

[ErrolTheDragon]

Yeah, personally paying 20 quid to have discrimination against gender critical women enshrined as illegal is pretty good value.

A hell of a lot better than the hundreds or thousands Allison's employer spent on getting bad advice from Stonewall! In addition to the smallish sum awarded to her, they will also have had large legal costs (and lost time of their own staff) and suffered reputational damage. And they couldn't even pass the buck.

[Pluvia]

Just to repeat, Employment Tribunals work on the basis that neither side will have to pay the other's costs if they lose. This is to ensure that ordinary people don't lose their savings/ homes if they lose a tribunal. So anyone thinking Allison lost because she didn't get her costs covered needs to think again.

[NitroNine]

I always enjoy the periodic outrage over “waaah! GCs have stolen one of our billionty FLEGS the non-binary pride flag!” because the cultural imperialism levels are off the scale. 🙄
I really cannot understand how anyone committed to decolonisation (as TRAs generally claim to be) can be so fond of flags. Massively problematic, that. Especially places failing to change out the pride flag for the disability pride flag…

Anyway, were one to in fact evaluate the use of group markers/identifiers on Twitter + the content of each group’s tweets doubtless there would be “rancid” views - but you’d need to look elsewhere for those @Maitai72. You see some truly shocking things from Hindus who want India to be a theocracy, for example - but an Indian flag doesn’t always signal membership of said group. Perfect example of a massive + muddled grouping is of course people with the Ukrainian flag: looking at that would be really interesting, but hard work. There are TRAs with dinosaurs & GCs with dinosaurs, so you will see dinosaurs arguing with each other. Crucially, however, it’s not the 💜🤍💚 users who send threats of violence (including commonplace use of a notorious meme featuring a gun); who are [routinely] profane; who post pictures of their genitalia at women they consider to be transphobes; nor who [deliberately] misrepresent anything & everything to try to bend the arc of the moral universe not towards justice but rather into whatever mangled corkscrew shape might be required to prop up their ideology. Indeed, the 💜🤍💚 views are, by law, worthy of respect.

(If anyone missed the Dino Wars, there’s an explainer here. Of course, the “Dino Emojis Are Trans!” stories tend to leave out that they were the work of many. Probably because Courtney Milan tried to claim that she made them up so she knew they were trans. Her website now just talks about helping create them…)

[Sexnotgender]

Some people do get mighty tetchy when women spend their money in an unapproved fashion 😂

I’ll be doing some more gardening if required.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

It's the female equivalent of a male putting a Union or St George flag in their name or bio and is taken by other users that the person's opinions will likely be pretty rancid.

"other users" doing some heavy lifting these

[EdithStourton]

Is it just me or has the number of derailers, scolds and general tickers-off gone up in the past few weeks?

We had our regulars who wanted to tell us how wrong we are, but I came back from holiday and lo... Could it be related to the schools breaking up for the summer, and uni students on vacation starting to get a bit bored and hiding upstairs on their phones to avoid parents telling them to get a bloody job?

Or am I just a cynical old crone?

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

The boards are full of them today.

[ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus]

A you know, Allison Bailey won her case against her employer.

[ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus]

As you know ...

[ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus]

@EdithStourton

Is it just me or has the number of derailers, scolds and general tickers-off gone up in the past few weeks?

We had our regulars who wanted to tell us how wrong we are, but I came back from holiday and lo... Could it be related to the schools breaking up for the summer, and uni students on vacation starting to get a bit bored and hiding upstairs on their phones to avoid parents telling them to get a bloody job?

Or am I just a cynical old crone?

I actually hadn't thought of that. I think you've nailed it.

[Helleofabore]

@ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus

I actually hadn't thought of that. I think you've nailed it.

🎯

[ErrolTheDragon]

Both?

[exwhyzed]

@EdithStourton

Is it just me or has the number of derailers, scolds and general tickers-off gone up in the past few weeks?

We had our regulars who wanted to tell us how wrong we are, but I came back from holiday and lo... Could it be related to the schools breaking up for the summer, and uni students on vacation starting to get a bit bored and hiding upstairs on their phones to avoid parents telling them to get a bloody job?

Or am I just a cynical old crone?

It's hilarious and shows that the house of cards is falling rapidly and they are frightened/furious. It's all falling apart.

I suppose it's like being in an abusive relationship, the most dangerous time is when the women find the strength end things because they know they are losing control.

expect an increase for a while of people coming to tell us off, and minimising. There will be denial of service attacks, doxxing, violent memes, thought policing.

They don't seem to realise that makes us more determined.

every time someone tells me I'm wasting my money I donate a little more.

[ickky]

Fuck me, I think all us gardener's should do a stand at next year's Chelsea, we must all have green fingers by now.

I do love gardening, I particularly like the Maya Hardy Perennial, it will reward us year after year.

Best money I have spent recently has been for these Tribunals.

If needed, my thread wrangling skills will be available.

[CatherinaJTV]

@ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus

A you know, Allison Bailey won her case against her employer.

She didn't in 3 of 5 counts and the court called her ideas on Stonewall's influence on GCC policy "conspiracy theory", I believe.

[DarkDayforMN]

She didn't in 3 of 5 counts and the court called her ideas on Stonewall's influence on GCC policy "conspiracy theory", I believe.

lmao, this conjures up images of hordes of barely literate transactivists desperately poring over the judgement for something mean they can highlight about AB, and of course hordes more of them on social media mindlessly sharing whatever scraps their leaders were able to glean, like an army of bots but less energy efficient. All of them endlessly confused about why the media keeps saying she won. 😁

I think you’ll find your nth-hand moronism is a quote of a quote.

[Thelnebriati]

@CatherinaJTV Discrimination cases work using a hierarchy of claims so if claim A succeeds, claim B is dismissed.
The court decided she had been discriminated against. The outcome was that her employer was the one liable for using the advice, not the company they had paid for the advice.
HTH.

[LK1972]

@quixote9

Bailey "lost" in the same sense as "transwomen are women."

Her employer did discriminate against her. So badly that she was awarded aggravated damages.

The judgement did not say Stonewall's part in this was fine. It only said the discrimination was the employer's fault, that Stonewall could not force them to be bigoted.

Stonewall got off on what amounts to a free speech defence, the judgement said the employer did not have to act on their guidelines which produce discrimination when acted on.

That is not a win in the real world.

Yep, however the activists on the other side are desperately telling themselves - sorry @CatherinaJTV, I'm not sure you'll ever convince us a win is a loss.

[LK1972]

@Maitai72 'It's the female equivalent of a male putting a Union or St George flag in their name or bio and is taken by other users that the person's opinions will likely be pretty rancid'

😂😂😂

You lot are v entertaining sometimes

[moofolk]

@EdithStourton

Is it just me or has the number of derailers, scolds and general tickers-off gone up in the past few weeks?

We had our regulars who wanted to tell us how wrong we are, but I came back from holiday and lo... Could it be related to the schools breaking up for the summer, and uni students on vacation starting to get a bit bored and hiding upstairs on their phones to avoid parents telling them to get a bloody job?

Or am I just a cynical old crone?

Kids really should get out more.

Get some exercise mate
You need some Parklife

[moofolk]

One of her replies to someone on their school holidays.

[Voice0fReason]

Some hilariously delusional posts on this thread. It's been a good laugh!
Allison's win was fantastic.
Happy to dig for the next one.
Very proud of the suffragette colours.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

lmao, this conjures up images of hordes of barely literate transactivists desperately poring over the judgement for something mean they can highlight about AB, and of course hordes more of them on social media mindlessly sharing whatever scraps their leaders were able to glean, like an army of bots but less energy efficient. All of them endlessly confused about why the media keeps saying she won.

It's funny that exactly the same process took place when Maya won her case.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

Watching MRAs trying to frame Allison being awarded damages + aggravated damages as a loss is just 😘