Think Twice Before Donating to LLLI this Year

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Think Twice Before Donating to LLLI this Year
It's not the same place many of us learned to love for over 6 decades.

This is chilling from the article posted - and horrifyingly too familiar once again…

In line with many other captured organizations, LLL now expects its Leaders to advertise services without referring to “women”, “mothers” or “breastfeeding” at all. And we thought that the 1950s was a regressive era for women’s empowerment!

The Board appears to have put Leaders into potentially abusive situations with their Inclusivity Policy which states that "everyone" should be included in breastfeeding support.

Recently, a Leader reached out for support on an internet forum. Her online meeting had been hijacked by “a bunch of guys” who insulted the women present and then one of them started masturbating live on camera during the meeting.

Clearly, the implications of helping "everyone" to breastfeed—including men—has not been properly studied by the LLLI Board. In fact it has been ignored. The men who hijacked the meeting belonged to an international toddler breastfeeding fetish group. The fact that LLLI Board is silent on this safeguarding issue makes one wonder if they are prioritizing pedophile fetishes over women and children's safety.

At what point will they realise what they've done? What will it actually take?

Such a shame that this previously well respected organisation is self immolating.
I think local peer supporters is probably the way to go. I met one of our local volunteers recently, they are embedded in the hospital and follow up at home with support in various forms. I asked about online support and she said they are very careful to screen members so that only breastfeeding women can access the sessions. She was clearly aware of known problems.

Have read the article. Unfortunately there is no way to check any of the issues raised. I had a look at LLLI Facebook, and they use the words mother and breastfeeding frequently.

Maybe the online meetings are the problem. Were the voyeurs/masturbators there with the approval of the LLL group, I wonder.

I had a quick look on the website and they do still use 'mother' and 'woman'. I don't know if it is less frequent than before, but the use is still there. The 'Womanly Art of Breastfeeding' still has the same title.

Can you screenshot that because I cant see it. There is a trans inclusive LLL group which says explicitly not to use mum or women. And the non trans one doesn't appear to use those words either. (Although the groups are private, so I've only seen the notes on the initial page which is public).

This is the LLLI facebook page - many instances of 'breastfeeding' and 'mother'.

www.facebook.com/lalecheleagueinternational

I'll try and attach some screenshots.

Ach, the screenshots have gone all weird, sorry. If you are able to click through, those are all recent posts made in July, and all use 'breastfeeding' or 'mother'.

It could well be that there are groups trying to change the language within LLLI, but I'm heartened to see the main FB account using straightforward language.

www.laleche.org.uk/support-transgender-non-binary-parents/

They advocate for men taking drugs to stimulate production of liquid in their nipples to 'feed' their babies.

They should be nowhere near breastfeeding women.

Trans women can use a protocol similar to adoptive and other non-gestational mothers and stimulate their milk supply: it is called the Newman-Goldfarb protocol.

You can also give human milk or formula supplements using an at-breast supplementer. Your healthcare provider can help you look at your options, and your local LLL Leader can offer support with your breast or chestfeeding goals and journey.

And for any men who are struggling to breastfeed, they urge them to attend groups:

Many parents worry about whether their baby is ‘getting enough’. LLL meetings are a good place to get support from others.

I can't find a GB facebook group for LLL, only small local ones.

There is this group:

www.facebook.com/groups/lllinducinglactation/

'This is an inclusive support group for those looking for information and support on how to induce lactation (bring in a milk supply without a pregnancy) for non-birthing parents, such as surrogacy, adoption, co-nursing, trans/non binary chest feeding, etc; and for those who are relactating for a child they did birth after stopping breastfeeding previously for any reason.'

Group rule #1:

'Please be aware that group members and lactating parents are not all women or mothers. Please avoid addressing the group as "mommas" “women” or “ladies” etc In your posts or replies.'

www.laleche.org.uk/relactation-induced-lactation/

'Domperidone

You will need a prescription from your GP. The dose usually recommended is one or two 10mg tablets three times a day. Domperidone is not licensed for use as a galactogogue.

From UK Medicines Information (document will download for viewing):
‘As there are limited alternative options for the stimulation of lactation, the use of domperidone can be considered provided there is evidence of thorough evaluation for treatable causes such as poor attachment, and when increased frequency of breastfeeding, pumping or hand expression of milk has not been successful. A maternal dose of 30mg daily for a maximum of 1 week should not be exceeded.'

Would a UK GP actually prescribe domperidone off label for a male?

I don't know @ScreechingEchoChamber. I do know that LLLI are trying to normalise it though.p and that women's hard earned cash should go to other better causes that support women and children, not men with a fetish

I’m in that Fb group. It is US based remember- I’d say they do a lot of good work. It’s full of breastfeeding and has the odd breastfeeding/chestfeeding phrase in there. Its less full of mother - I suspect some of the materials used to say more women and mothers but there is still quite a bit of that. For a US based org it’s doing ok I’d say, you might want to keep an eye on it if you are active in that space as they are certainly working on inclusion and diversity (which does mean more than getting rid of that pesky word mother, they are an org operating internationally trying to support disadvantaged non English speaking women) I hate the term chestfeeding but I don’t mind it here and there which indicates that women who don’t identify as women are welcome which I’d think is the majority status of those actually breastfeeding their baby who don’t like the term breastfeeding. Their annual report is public and full of breastfeeding, perhaps one or two chestfeedings in the whole thing. Don’t warn people against donating to LLL unless you have more specific issues and evidence.

I have provided evidence @deeperthanallroses. A link from their U.K. website.

An organisation which advocates and encourages men to try and feed babies does not have the best interests of mothers and babies at heart.

Full stop.

I have just looked at lll australia (where I am). It’s not very big here and looking at that I wouldn’t touch it- there’s a content warning on the link to the llli philosophy for ‘Cis-heteronormative language’, I guess so no one looking up a group whose sole focus is breastfeeding babies gets literally harmed by reading the word mother. I’d guess issues sit heavily at the local level.

This. The problem with all these organisations is that they are/were vital for women, but they are getting infiltrated.

Lactation fetishes are well known. They are certainly something that a breastfeeding support group should be fully aware of and should not be allowed anywhere near breastfeeding mothers.

if a group such as LLLI is not familiar with lactation fetishes...well I just don't believe it. They must've spent almost their entire history keeping those sorts of men out.

it's the magic ticket again, isn't it?

"Group rule #1:

'Please be aware that group members and lactating parents are not all women or mothers. Please avoid addressing the group as "mommas" “women” or “ladies” etc In your posts or replies.'

I consider this abusive. I really hate this BS and the total negation of women and our experience, but mostly ignoring the welfare of babies.

It's worth realising that this is also being promoted in the NHS thanks to the Rainbow Badge accreditation scheme.

Given that most mothers spend a very short time in the maternity unit, and also the babies, unless there is something wrong, supporting the non-birthing parent to breastfeed/chestfeed seems highly inappropriate.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/870748/response/2080857/attach/5/Induction%20pack.docx?cookie_passthrough=1

The Board has decided to axe the word “Womanly” from The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding” for the next reprint against the will of the majority of Leaders surveyed. Yes there are some references to women on LLLI website, but the addition of gender language is confusing . See their definition of breastfeeding. Also the organization has allowed separate entities to completely erase the word women, mothers and breastfeeding from their websites including La Leche League of USA and Canada. Many local regions that used to be states before they re-organized everything also have changed their language completely removing any references to women and mothers. The plan is after all the local entities change then the international organization will remove it from their website and the mission statement. Check out the mission statement at La Leche League USA: “LLL USA encourages, informs, educates, supports, and promotes the use of human milk and the intimate relationship and development that comes from nursing a child for as long as mutually desired.” No breasts, no mother, not even a baby. It’s transhumanism and it’s coming to us all.

But I thought they strongly believed "transwomen were women"? So why can't they be described as ladies or women?

For some of the articles and research on the topic of males feeding infants from their breasts, this thread might be interesting.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4566255-to-think-that-the-nhs-had-lost-the-plot-over-breastfeeding?page=1

@Tuilpmouse I think this will be due to the women who are breastfeeding but want to be called men. So because of this handful and then the XYs, women can't actually use our own words and be described as who we are.

I do know my immediate U.K. based LLL group isn't like this and the leaders are GC.

However the wider international / us group seems to be being infected