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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sonia Sodha pulls all the threads together in the Observer today…

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diningiswest · 31/07/2022 08:45

Another great article in a great week.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/31/dont-buy-stonewall-line-gender-identity-cant-sack-you-now?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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JoodyBlue · 31/07/2022 10:05

And this In the Times:
Rishi Sunak has pledged to force the NHS, government departments, schools and sports organisations to protect the words “woman” and “mother” with a review of the “brainwashing” he says is caused by woke culture.
The former chancellor is about to say that the cultural undercurrent, along with some laws, is being “used to engage in social engineering to which no one has given consent”. He has promised to wipe out “woke nonsense”.
This includes making sure the “Trojan horse” Equality Act is clear that sex means biological sex and clarifying that gender self-identification has no legal force.
In a speech he will make to supporters in West Sussex today, he will say that he has “zero interest in fighting a so-called culture war” but that there is a need to “end the brainwashing, the vandalism and the finger-pointing” he claims has permeated public life.
There have been increasing concerns about the erasure of sex-based language from guidance and laws, including those concerning maternity law, pregnancy services and sport. Sunak is taking aim at “left-wing agitators” who “take a bulldozer to our history, our traditions and our fundamental values”. He will say: “Whether it’s pulling down statues of historic figures, replacing the school curriculum with anti-British propaganda, or rewriting the English language so we can’t even use words like ‘man’, ‘woman’, or ‘mother’ without being told we’re offending someone, it’s not us who are the aggressors.”
Sunak plans to stop organisations such as Stonewall from delivering sex and relationship education, after concern that inappropriate topics have been taught to young children. Schools would be given guidance about what was acceptable, while parents would be able to request to see teaching materials, including from external groups, through an amendment to the Schools Bill. However, schools would have the final say on what to release.
On the Equality Act, he says in his speech: “Our laws must protect free speech, block biological men from competing in women’s sport, and ensure that children are allowed to be children.”
Yesterday rugby union and league bosses blocked transgender players from competing in women’s rugby, citing “scientific evidence” for the decision. Sunak says that he will tell organisations to provide women’s spaces, whether changing rooms or refuges, on the basis of biological sex.
www.thetimes.co.uk/.../f2818710-0f7d-11ed-93cf...

JoodyBlue · 31/07/2022 10:07

Dare we begin to think it is over? That the women who brought these court cases were all successful in protecting women and children (at least for now). It feels like a momentous week, but has been so long coming, it is hard to quite realise it all.

WarriorN · 31/07/2022 10:07

ALSO...

We’ve published an important letter in today’s Observer from Labour MPs & peers expressing dismay at @Keir_Starmer’s party blocking @LabWomenDec from having a stand at this year’s conference. Good to them speaking out about attempts to quash women’s voices in Labour

https://twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1553654729011601411?s=21&t=Zd57pqOwQBdeF6rEEZjuWA

WarriorN · 31/07/2022 10:08

Letter

Sonia Sodha pulls all the threads together in the Observer today…
Sonia Sodha pulls all the threads together in the Observer today…
Circumferences · 31/07/2022 10:09

Wow
It pains me to say this but thank God for the Tories... ...
(Right now).
(When the Labour Party get rid of their sexist and destructive wokery I will support them again)

ShirleyJackson · 31/07/2022 10:10

That article! Oh my! Sense? In The Observer?

I might need a little sit down.

Sunfriedegg · 31/07/2022 10:11

Hurray, thank you to all you brave women and men who’ve defended sanity and womens rights.

glitterfarts · 31/07/2022 10:13

This is fantastic.
However, these should be a given, not an amazing thing for a politician or newspaper to say.

Thank goodness the world is starting to right itself. Stereotypes should be abolished not enforced rigidly.

Men should be able to wear dresses and makeup and still be men.
Women's rights, language, spaces should be protected.

Men can never become women.

pastaandpesto · 31/07/2022 10:13

Does anyone have a share token for the Times article?

MajorieEks · 31/07/2022 10:14

The observer have a different team to the guardian and have always written pro-women articles. It’s still a fantastic article though!

WarriorN · 31/07/2022 10:14

ShirleyJackson · 31/07/2022 10:10

That article! Oh my! Sense? In The Observer?

I might need a little sit down.

Observer is always good. Guardian all have a day off.

AnneLovesGilbert · 31/07/2022 10:24

Sonia is bloody brilliant. And that’s an excellent piece. Thank you for sharing OP.

Hoardasurass · 31/07/2022 10:28

Wow that's a good article that pulls no punches

ajarintennessee · 31/07/2022 10:33

It is not over

JoodyBlue · 31/07/2022 10:33

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-has-pledged-to-wipe-out-woke-culture-nonsense-zl5n96pgn

Don't know if this link works?

Mollyollydolly · 31/07/2022 10:33

I love Sonia - she's taken so much stick. Another fantastic woman. Great article.

eurochick · 31/07/2022 10:36

Excellent article. It's asks the key question - how on earth did this bonkers fringe gender ideology gain so much traction.

TheKeatingFive · 31/07/2022 10:47

Gosh, so good to see all this. Finally sense is returning it seems.

diningiswest · 31/07/2022 10:51

ajarintennessee · 31/07/2022 10:33

It is not over

I agree.

And as things shift we will also have to make some more nuanced calls about what to support. For example not all Sunak’s changes to the Equality Act may be a good thing (it’s very relevant to my work, and I worry about this).

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/07/2022 11:04

There's a fantastic insightful response from Transgender Trend about the closure of GIDs - well worth a read :

www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-gender-clinic-closed-down/

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 31/07/2022 11:12

One day we may look back and wonder at how a regressive and controversial worldview – that being a woman is not a scientific fact but variously an inner feeling or conformity to sexist stereotypes of femininity – came to exert so much influence over so many public institutions and professions.

wow, what a fabulous article

WarriorN · 31/07/2022 11:15

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guinnessguzzler · 31/07/2022 11:16

Great piece from Sonia Sodha, very clear.

Floisme · 31/07/2022 11:59

Thanks for the link op - great article as always from Sonia Sodha.

And thanks WarriorN for the letter from Labour MP and peers. It took me a while to find it as it seems to be in the NHS section rather than in 'Letters' but take a bow: Tonia Antoniazzi, Feryal Clark, Marsha de Cordova, Rosie Duffield, Julie Elliott, Mary Glindon, Diana Johnson, Steve McCabe, Dianne Hayter, Philip Hunt, Estelle Morris, David Triesman, Tony Young.

ZombieMumEB · 31/07/2022 12:01

Common sense is starting to come back to society.

Thanks largely to all the wonderful women who have put themselves out there in the public line of fire.

What brave heroic women they all are.