Mermaids is taking LGBA to court.

[WarriorN]

On twitter: "Mermaids is taking us to court to try to strip us of our charitable status. If successful, it means important films like this will not be made."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTf1gPZaBWg

See twitter for digging.

Has anyone actually queried whether Mermaids have gone beyond their charitable aims with the Charity Commission? It may make it easier for them to act if this has happened…

I think we will need to agree to disagree about Jackie.

However, you are spot-on about her dad’s homophobia, I just don’t think this was a factor in this.

GD is real, it’s just that a very tiny minority of Trans identifying people have genuine GD. IMO Trans is a huge umbrella that has sadly been hijacked by every man and his (support) dog that has a paraphilia or just fancies a change of gender at the weekend.

What about Jazz Jennings, another poster child for the cause who has suffered some very serious unintended outcomes with the help of a tv crew and parents who undeniably had a vested interest?

I wait with real fear for that poor child to have the distance and time and freedom from the adults involved to be able to decide and voice for themselves whether they feel with hindsight what happened was right, was exactly what they signed up for, whether they were 'happy' and 'living their best life' or whether this was a lot of sentimental tripe that let adults feel nice and avoid the full horror of facing facts. If when that time comes, they are not, there is another child who will fully deserve and need millions in compensation because their future will have been made a very hard one. And they will have a very powerful argument that they were absolutely betrayed by the adults who should have protected them, who should have been able to be the grownups for them, and there will then need to be a very hard and painful discussion about where that betrayal crosses the line because Jennings could very easily argue that however naively done or with whatever good intentions, it encompassed active neglect and/or abuse if Jennings ever so chooses.

I hope to God that poor child has an adulthood they are happy with, and that they don't have regrets, but if they are not? It's going to be bloody awful. And how many other kids are going to end up adults in similar situations who no one knows the name of and who won't have the ear of the press or a tv company? Many detransitioners stories suggest that long term or permanent harm to health and body and a struggle to live with it is widespread among them. And I have not yet read of any detransitioner who has had support and understanding from the political TQ+ activist lobby. Many however mention how they were encouraged to shut up, to not talk about it, or experienced actual attempts to repress them and their story as harmful to the agenda.

We're back to the usual question aren't we? How many raped/assaulted and excluded women = justifying saying no male TQ+ people in that space? And how many suffering and regretful detransitioners = actually protecting children from being able to make permanent changes to their brains and bodies that may come with significant health and harm? The activist lobby has been pushing the 'if it saves a life' line for over a decade, but the only valued lives are ever the on-message, politically useful ones.

Can I express what I feel whenever I hear Susie green being interviewed without being deleted?

I almost think she has the same delusions as Trump!!

The suicide stats have not only been thoroughly debunked but the samaritans have expressly said to stop using them so recklessly - she ignores this, and ploughs on as though she would be shocked for anyone to even ever challenge her.

There is so much evidence of the harms puberty blockers do from actual medical professionals with qualifications like Dr Cass, Dr Bell et al but she ploughs on as though she would be shocked anyone would ever believe them over her.

Try having a rational conversation about conversion therapy? Same sex spaces?

And what I have noticed over the last few days is that she seems utterly convinced that she and her charity are going to have some kind of role going forward with these new clinics and treatment approaches - shhhheeeessssh! The very idea that Dr Cass would even take her calls is ludicrous. There must be some kind of report or conclusion somewhere that mermaids have directly contributed to the problems GIDS had in the first place!! The whole point of the review was to get rid of the poison - if mermaids aren't the poison, what the hell does Susie Green think the problem was!!??

Absolutely agreed - I was only adding a little context for clarity about whose wording was being cited. But yes, protected and not endorsed by EJ Goodman and the panel.

And what I have noticed over the last few days is that she seems utterly convinced that she and her charity are going to have some kind of role going forward with these new clinics and treatment approaches - shhhheeeessssh! The very idea that Dr Cass would even take her calls is ludicrous

Mermaids will be registered stakeholders. It would not be at all straightforward to dislodge them from the process, especially not if they have sympathisers within the selected tertiary centres.

It would be essential to understand the selection/recruitment process for

• stakeholders (who get to comment at minimum or participate)


• the patient/carer/family/public representatives on the Trial Management Group


• the patient/carer/family/public representatives on the Patient Advisory Group


• the patient/carer/family/public representatives on any broader panel.

Some or all of these people might have: decision-making powers; co-production of public or patient-facing recruitment materials; influence for the submission for ethics approval for the trial; input into how the trial is run and interim data points etc.

It would be trivially easy for Mermaids, Stonewall et al to have their preferred people placed in all of these.

especially not if they have sympathisers within the selected tertiary centres.

NB: who doesn't think that the NHS is so captured that these people are already in place and ready to be convinced of Mermaids' agenda?

Given the NHS current preference of a clear allegiance to those organisations that support the early transitioning of children, and that GIDS personnel will be dispersed to support the setting up of these centres, this is a time for vigilance although I'm not sure what authority or influence that people outside the process can bring to bear.

I'm a charity trustee and I cannot imagine a situation where that would further our charitable purpose and therefore pass the test for spending.

There are plenty of organisations and charities around that are in opposition to my charity's aims, but it's not up to us to regulate that, that's the charity commission's job.

yes - mermaids have embedded themselves very firmly into the process partly by having friends in high places and partly by successfully positioning themselves as the go to charity for ‘trans children’ (my personal opinion is children are not trans) the nhs is required to consult & involve all stakeholders and they like to have a single place to go to because it makes their lives easier.

dislodging the ppl mermaids will have positioned on committees & stakeholder groups is going to take some time

How are Mermaids funding the court case? I know they have massive income. Have they stated publicly how they will pay for it?

How come Jackie is the poster person for Mermaids with such a success diagnosis and medical intervention? Where is Jackie now?

Can I ask, then, if mermaids can register themselves as stakeholders, can't Transgender Trend also?

Surely these clinics can't just carry on as before, with just the geography changed?

Although, my hope is that now, thanks to Forstater and Bailey, Sonia Appleby, James esses et al, ALL voices will be EQUAL, and ALL steakholders will have a voice. That was a very important part of the process that was not possible before.

In fact, just a few short years ago, what pressures would Dr Cass have been under in compiling her report that have now gone?

I think Susie knows the tide is turning, and is desperately doing everything she can to hold this off. She knows that the affirmation only approach is what has closed the Tavistock and is trying to backtrack.

We can only hope that these new centres will focus on talk therapy that was lacking at the Tavistock so that these vulnerable children can get impartial medical help and look at the causes and reasons they want to reject their natal sex.

The phenomenon of young girls identifying as trans needs to be looked at as the social contagion it is, alongside self-harm, eating disorders and other MH issues that more often than not they present with.

We know that left to their own devises the majority of these children will grow out of their dysphoria, but those who don’t will be able to get the help they need once they have had the necessary counselling and not have the TRAs screeching about conversion therapy.

I will not be giving money to the LGB Alliance I don't support any charities that do nothing but a campaign for LGB people, There have the same rights as everyone else there is no need for this charity to exist other than the erosion of free speech and other people's liberty

It takes quite a level of moral bankruptcy and hubris for Mermaids to pursue this course of action. How on earth can they think it is within their remit to sue another charity? How do they justify spending all that money on litigation - surely money they spend should be dispensed within their aims as a charity? And furthermore, have they not considered that they might end up scoring a massive own goal by turning the Charity Commission's attentions to their own practices? What the fuck 🙄

It takes quite a level of moral bankruptcy and hubris for Mermaids to pursue this course of action. How on earth can they think it is within their remit to sue another charity? How do they justify spending all that money on litigation - surely money they spend should be dispensed within their aims as a charity? And furthermore, have they not considered that they might end up scoring a massive own goal by turning the Charity Commission's attentions to their own practices? What the fuck 🙄

Hmmm, there's plenty of actual homophobia around, I promise!

It's only this month that my son had to step in as his lesbian friend was being kicked, already on the floor, by two homophobic boys. Ages 14-15, London, teenage hangout in the park.

Daughter got called a 'fucking dyke', just in passing on the street.

No need for LGBA, lol

Presumably you don't donate money to the cats protection league for not campaigning for dogs, Age concern for not campaigning for children and Greenpeace for not campaigning for world peace?

Honestly - did you actually read the nonsense you wrote?

Err right. Everyone has the same rights as everyone else, doesn't mean we don't need charities....

But you do you hun 🤷‍♀️

Lolz. LGBA actually bother to mention the situation in Uganda where gay men don't have the same rights.

It's your money. Spend it as you see fit. But there is still a need for organisations that work for the social acceptance of same-sex attracted women and men.

Not RTFT but… How could Mermaids not liking someone else’s politics possibly be an issue for court action? Wouldn’t a judge just say, this this not justiciable.

What evidence is there that campaign In that country to secure the rights of LGB people apart from just bringing it up

Have donated, thanks for the reminder.

Reminder that the allotment is still not half way to their veg needs. Do donate if you have been paid.

I think this might be a flippy TRA attempt at a gotcha, re the salient point that trans people do have the same rights as everyone else.

Or it could just be a disgruntled homophobic chunter.

Hard to tell the two apart, really.

I'm not a TRA and I am not homophobic, We live in a period with only one group of people will become second class citizens and that's women.

You must have forgotten that stonewall was once only for LGB people and then added the T we have no Insurance that the LGB Alliance will not do the same thing, sorry I won't give my money to people who might soon become our enemies and attempt to subjugate me again because of male entitlement

But you do you💅