Monkeypox and risk groups

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I'm not linking directly to this because a pile on from here is literally the last thing needed. But it is doing my head in.

Owen Jones is saying good things on twitter, ie that 98% of people who are contracting monkeypox right now are men who have sex with men, and therefore focusing vaccine messaging on that group isn't homophobic. I agree.

There are a couple of people arguing with him about this claiming to be transwomen who have sex mostly with men who have sex with men... and who are saying that Owen is therefore saying they shouldn't be vaccinated, because they are women.

So they are denying their sex to the point that they are literally refusing to accept that public health messages aimed at them affect them. And they would rather dilute the message and dilute the targeting of limited vaccine stock for men at risk, to say that 'women are at risk too' than ever admit that physically they are male, having sex with gay men, and at risk of monkeypox.

But it's just 'inclusiveness'.

I agree but there is already a thread on this! www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4598359-loj-and-monkeypox-knows-what-a-man-is

I gave up on that thread after reading the most incoherent fact denying twaddle from one prolific poster claiming to be "an expert".

Huh. TRAs are very happy to fuck up public health messaging aimed at women, male public health messaging usually doesn’t get targeted… oh, but of course, this messaging is aimed at gay men.

Honestly gay men like OJ carrying water for this ideology are nearly as idiotic as the female handmaiden types.

Currently, it appears to be men who have sex with men who are most susceptible to monkeypox and need the vaccine. Therefore targeted health information, and infection avoidance. That is good. Though why it was evil when the LGB Alliance said this, but doubleplusgood when LOJ says it, eludes me.

But there are transwomen who have sex with men and are getting huffy because this health information is not, therefore, going out to encompass all women. They seem pissed off because all women should be included in this health advice too, since they are transwomen.

Or, alternatively, transwomen are not included in the advice for gay men, and they feel pissed off about that, because they are, in fact, men who have sex with men, but that cannot be said; and therefore, all women must be included in monkepox health advice for men who have sex with men, despite this being irrelevant at present - in order to be inclusive of transwomen.

Yeah, no. Me neither!

We need clear health messaging and in cases like this that means identifying the sex of those affected. It’s what feminists have been trying to say for years about cervical cancer screening and a million other things.

Owen seems to have got it now actual men are the ones at risk. Let’s hope this new found awareness continues.

And yet LGB alliance say the same thing months ago and OJ 'lol's' at them. Eagerly awaiting his apology......🙄🙄🙄

Oh gosh don't click on the other thread unless you want to rip your hair out.

I agree, health messages aimed at men stay simple and clear whereas messages aimed at women call us "cervix havers" or "people who menstruate" or "birthing bodies" or whatever other bodily part or function specific only to females.

I looked at that other thread and couldn't make sense of it at all.

At the moment there seems to be a lot af resentment around health advice being given to sexually active males, that it's stigmatising or targeting, but if this is the group that is largely affected they need to know the facts to protect themselves.

I was young during the AIDS crisis but I still remember the adverts "Don't die of ignorance" and it stuck with me enough for me to always practise safe sex.