SNP accused of flouting court ruling to define biological men as women

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The campaign group For Women Scotland claimed Nicola Sturgeon’s administration was attempting to “redefine women yet again” by issuing transgender rules it says are “wholly incompatible” with a landmark court victory, which it won only five months ago.

The feminist organisation was backed by Scotland's top civil court in its claim that SNP legislation designed to increase the number of women on public boards was unlawful as it stated that anyone "living as a woman", regardless of their biological sex, would count as female.

However, the Scottish Government has issued new statutory guidelines which state transgender women should still be counted as female in the workplace quotas, so long as they hold a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC).

For Women Scotland says the SNP’s latest position does not comply with the Court of Session ruling, which found that Holyrood had overstepped its powers by effectively redefining the meaning of sex, to include biological men.

“It is extraordinary that once again women are facing the daunting task of funding another judicial review to defend our name in law,” Trina Budge, a director at For Women Scotland, said.

“The Government seems incapable of either abiding by a court order, or understanding that the definition of woman does not include any males."

Full article - archive.ph/OWZdE

Statement from FWS explaining why they are going back to court - forwomen.scot/18/07/2022/judicial-review-2/

Do they?? Which ones? Im sure you’ve got a list with proof of this. You wouldn’t just be making it up would you?

"Discrimination can be justified if the person who's discriminating against you can show it's a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim."

As trans women have had access to women's spaces for years, suddenly excluding them would not be a legitimate aim.

Yes it would. It would be the aim of providing dignity safety and comfort to women while minimising distress and alarm. It would also enable women who by faith, religion or trauma cannot access mixed sex spaces to participate fully in society.

"That report, which was published today, said that of the 215 organisations that submitted responses “a small majority” broadly supported changing to a system of self-declaration."

www.holyrood.com/news/view,gender-reform-bill-to-progress-after-review-of-consultation-is-unveiled

"As national gender equality organisations and campaigns, Close the Gap, Engender, Equate Scotland, Rape Crisis Scotland, Scottish Women’s Aid, Women 50:50 and Zero Tolerance support the realisation of rights of trans people."

www.engender.org.uk/news/blog/statement-in-support-of-the-equal-recognition-campaign-and-reform-of-the-gender-recognitio/

Of course, it is most notable that all LGBT orgs support the change - apart from the LGB Alliance which in their testimony to the Scottish Parliament gave incorrect information.

What the second consultation showed that those against GRA reform constituted the perspective of the considerable majority of women's groups that responded. Quote from the SG website -

'This was the perspective of many individual respondents and the considerable majority of the Women's Groups and Religious or Belief Bodies that responded.'

So, your statement is simply untrue.

Banning trans people from going to the loo does not add to the dignity of human society - as we have tragically seen in the US recently.

www.newsweek.com/trans-man-attacked-using-womens-restroom-ohio-1723432

I said a majority of the organisations (not a majority of the women's groups) supported the change - as reported here:

www.holyrood.com/news/view,gender-reform-bill-to-progress-after-review-of-consultation-is-unveiled

Either way, as the important women's groups that actually provide services to women e.g. Rape Crisis Scotland, Scottish Women’s Aid support the change I think I can live with the opposition of For Women Scotland (who I've seen refer to LGBT people as 'it' on Twitter) and the Catholic Church - not well known defenders of women's rights btw.

Correct and is stated specifically in the last two paragraphs of the appeal document linked on the For Woman Scotland page linked above. I can't copy and paste for some reason.

In a nutshell, the Scottish Government are conflating two separate characteristics (and in doing so actually discriminating against females identifying as men) and the judgement states that in addressing representation on public bodies, they can push for initiatives to increase representation of females and separate initiatives to increase representation of transpeople but they cannot conflate the two.

Nah, much better rape crisis Scotland, who’s chairman told traumatised women who objected to mixed sex counselling sessions they were transphobes and to reframe their trauma. Well, he seems nice and very caring about women, so I don’t think we’ll count that as a women’s org will we?

Scottish women’s aid also told women traumatised by sharing space with make bodies in a women’s refuge to get over it, so we won’t count those as a women’s group. So that’s both the women’s orgs you’ve named out. Any more? Any more women’s groups supporting this?

Rape crisis Scotland are hardly impartial. We all know why.

All the other groups depend on agreeing with scotgov for their funding. It's democracy SNP style.

Wow, now you're attacking a rape crisis charity. So much for standing up for women.

Call me what you want @Hearach15 At least I don’t support organisations which support child abuse. Weren’t you saying stonewall was better than LGBA. Hmmm…. When did LGBA support child abuse, homophobia and corrective rape. Because Stonewall does.

I really do think you need to get out of the house more and meet some more LGBT people.

I know right. It’s almost like I support vulnerable women and get annoyed when they are told to reframe their trauma by the very organisation supposed to care for them. You don’t seem to have done much research on this @Hearach15

A rape crisis charity fronted by a man that has told women to reframe their trauma. A rape crisis charity that does not give a shit about women. They deserve all the criticism and attacks that come their way.

I suspect the staff of Rape Crisis Scotland do more to help vulnerable women every day than you do. For them it's a vocation, for you it is just another stick to hit trans people with.

I really do think you need to get out of the house more and meet some more LGBT people.

Lol. It was real life experience with a friend transitioning that opened my eyes to the misogyny inherent in the trans movement. Before I was all TWAW. Be careful what you wish for!

Women are self excluding from services they need because there are no single sex services being offered despite specific exemptions being allowed under the EQA2010. Edinburgh Rape Crisis offer no single sex rape crisis groups.

There's organisations across Scotland being defunded unless all services are mixed sex in the name of 'inclusivity'. While excluding women who cannot access these services for a variety of reasons.

How can you possibly justify that?

LGBA told people it was okay not to support gay marriage. Denying LGBT people the right to marry who they love is extremely homophobic since you ask.

And of course they welcome homophobes to their conference

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/lgb-alliance-same-sex-marriage-twitter-transgender-homophobia-owen-jones-baclash/

Why would I listen to the opinion of someone who supports organisations that advocate for child abuse and the corrective rape of lesbians.

now back to the subject at hand. I think the SNP are desperate now. They’ve realised indyref has no public support. GRA reform has no public support and they are seriously down in polls. It’s going to be an interesting rest of the year watching sturgeon flounder.

Clearly you need to meet more than one!

Didn’t the TRA try to get that one small org that refused to accept TW defunded @Waitwhat23 ? I seem to remember there was a crowdfunded. The chairman of rape crisis Scotland was leading the charge in getting them defunded and dismantled.

This isn't about indyref. This is a separate issue and it will sail through the Scottish Parliament with the support of Labour and the Lib Dems - who are very much pro-union. Keep up!