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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They’re calling for Rachel Reeves to lose the whip

38 replies

achillestoes · 17/07/2022 16:58

Reeves gave an interview to the Times, and was very clear that men and women are biological entities, that women need single-sex spaces, that various sports are taking more sensible decisions about participation, and that she doesn’t think people need to declare their pronouns because their sex is ‘obvious’. She also thinks we should respect the decision to transition.

This is a very brave thing for her to do in the context of Labour Party politics.

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ReneBumsWombats · 17/07/2022 17:04

Go Rachel.

The public response and the Labour Party's response will tell us volumes.

If you want to know who rules you, see whom you are not allowed to criticise.

zanahoria · 17/07/2022 17:11

Perhaps the worm is turning

Marsha de Cordova upset Pink News last week

www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/07/06/marsha-de-cordova-jk-rowling-maya-forstater-tribunal/

achillestoes · 17/07/2022 17:12

Marsha has been brave for a long time. Good for her.

Who’s next? Diane Abbott?

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Faffertea · 17/07/2022 17:16

It would be nice to think Labour are finally seeing sense on women’s rights and this looks positive. I don’t believe it’s RR breaking ranks (unless the Tories aren’t going to be the only ones looking for a new leader?) but I will wait for a much more consistent position on it and a clear statement on self ID from Keir Starmer before I can feel comfortable voting for Labour again.

Faffertea · 17/07/2022 17:17

Meant to add its interesting timing with the focus this has had on the leadership contest for Tories. Are Labour finally seeing it for the abysmal policy it is?

PearlClutch · 17/07/2022 17:19

Stand strong, Rachel.

Floisme · 17/07/2022 17:21

Interesting. I don't know enough about Reeves to be able to tell whether she'd only do this with the blessing of the party leadership, or whether she'd go 'off piste'? Either way this is welcome but my vote will be based on what the party manifesto says.

dandelionthistle · 17/07/2022 17:25

achillestoes · 17/07/2022 17:12

Marsha has been brave for a long time. Good for her.

Who’s next? Diane Abbott?

Has she? This is good to know - I'd spotted her recent comment on twitter without Pink News pointing it out to me, but I wasn't sure whether it was a consistent thing for her or a first dip of her toes.

Saw plenty recommendations (including from many beardies) for her to educate herself, which made me laugh because for so many of us that's exactly what took us from 'be kind' to 'hang on, this actually should be a feminist priority right now'.

BootsAndRoots · 17/07/2022 17:26

Rachel Reeves has received a lot of Anti-Semitic abuse from within the Labour party, any female Jewish Labour politician who speaks out of these matters always face a torrent of abuse.

notprincehamlet · 17/07/2022 17:27

RR wrote Women of Westminster

mrshoho · 17/07/2022 17:32

Great news. Hopefully more of this from Labour to follow.

achillestoes · 17/07/2022 17:34

This has to be how it goes. The reality of biological sex can’t end up as a divisive position or we’ll be scrapping over it for decades, and women will have their political positions distorted by who is prepared to defend them on this one issue. We need all mainstream parties to come to the mountain.

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bellinisurge · 17/07/2022 17:34

Impressive. Let's see what Starmer does. Not holding my breath.
The current TRA line of attack is that there are more important issues than bullying a tiny minority out of existence. Eventually people will catch on that women are not a tiny minority.

Wafflybollocks · 17/07/2022 17:37

I wrote to her about this a while back and never received a response. Very pleased to hear this now.

Babdoc · 17/07/2022 17:38

I’m a long standing Conservative, but I liked her interview in today’s Sunday Times magazine. If bloody (TWAW) Mordaunt wins the leadership, I may have to consider jumping ship, but that idiot Starmer still has some way to go to ditch his dithering wokey nonsense.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/07/2022 17:39

That's good. It's a long interview and it's one paragraph. Yet activists are demanding she lose the whip?

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 17/07/2022 17:40

Come on Rachel. I want to be able to vote and rejoin Labour!

teezletangler · 17/07/2022 17:51

Rachel Reeves has received a lot of Anti-Semitic abuse from within the Labour party, any female Jewish Labour politician who speaks out of these matters always face a torrent of abuse.

I think this must be someone else? RR talks in the interview about being a practising member of the C of E.

SunshineThelma · 17/07/2022 17:57

RR is my MP. Very glad to see this from her!

morningtoncrescent62 · 17/07/2022 18:01

achillestoes · 17/07/2022 16:58

Reeves gave an interview to the Times, and was very clear that men and women are biological entities, that women need single-sex spaces, that various sports are taking more sensible decisions about participation, and that she doesn’t think people need to declare their pronouns because their sex is ‘obvious’. She also thinks we should respect the decision to transition.

This is a very brave thing for her to do in the context of Labour Party politics.

Have you seen any calls for her to lose the whip? I haven't (but doesn't mean there aren't any!).

I can't imagine she'd say all this without the approval of the Labour leadership. Looks like a quiet backtrack from TWAW hoping the TRAs won't notice. They'd do much better to announce a change of approach openly, and argue it properly.

PearlClutch · 17/07/2022 18:01

Babdoc · 17/07/2022 17:38

I’m a long standing Conservative, but I liked her interview in today’s Sunday Times magazine. If bloody (TWAW) Mordaunt wins the leadership, I may have to consider jumping ship, but that idiot Starmer still has some way to go to ditch his dithering wokey nonsense.

I would love to see some research on how many women place women's rights at the top of their list for voting issues.

achillestoes · 17/07/2022 18:03

@morningtoncrescent62

Yes, several (and for her to be sacked from the Shadow Cabinet).

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SpaceGoatFarm · 17/07/2022 18:03

Rachel Reeves did not receive tons of anti semitic abuse, due to the fact she isnt jewish. I see people are STILL making this crap up as they go along.

Rubidium · 17/07/2022 18:06

teezletangler · 17/07/2022 17:51

Rachel Reeves has received a lot of Anti-Semitic abuse from within the Labour party, any female Jewish Labour politician who speaks out of these matters always face a torrent of abuse.

I think this must be someone else? RR talks in the interview about being a practising member of the C of E.

RR wrote a book called 'Women of Westminster’ which included Nancy Astor, who was a noted anti-semite, among other things. Whatever your opinion of Nancy Astor, she was the first woman to take her seat in the House of Commons so omitting her from the book would have been odd. However the left like to use RR writing about Nancy Astor as a way to accuse RR of endorsing antisemitism. Obviously.