They’re calling for Rachel Reeves to lose the whip

[achillestoes]

Reeves gave an interview to the Times, and was very clear that men and women are biological entities, that women need single-sex spaces, that various sports are taking more sensible decisions about participation, and that she doesn’t think people need to declare their pronouns because their sex is ‘obvious’. She also thinks we should respect the decision to transition.

This is a very brave thing for her to do in the context of Labour Party politics.

Rachel Riley TV presenter received awful antisemitic abuse from members of the Labour Party. She spoke out about it to parliament.

I will watch with baited breath but my guess is death and rape threats from 'impassioned individual activists' whilst the leadership do nothing to protect or defend her.

Right, but they arnt the same people because they are both called Rachel are they? It always was complete nonsense, tories pretending to deeply care about supposed anti semitism whilst its statistically much higher in their own party and they do nothing about it.

I’m a floating voter in a swing constituency, not red wall. My current MP (Labour) is excellent so I’d vote Labour anyway, but RR in a senior position has made it a lot more palatable. I’m not a huge fan of Mr Starmer but he’s a better proposition than Bunter ever was. Will be interesting to see who takes over in Sept.

I don't think politicians deserve golden bridges. They have 1 job, the public has no reason to give them chance after chance. I wouldn't believe a word of it anyway even without that. There has been no apology for what Labour has done or for the shocking treatment of women members such as the women's place meeting that was attacked and the TWAW policies are still there. Squirrel politics - well I'm still looking at you, Labour, and I really don't like what I see.

Making a mistake about who a person is is not the same as bullshitting.

There is something about Rachel Reeves I just don't like. I think it was since an interview I watched in. She was asked about what is a woman or transphobia or something and she just said I've not come to be interviewed about that. She's a politician she should be prepared to answer any questions. It was some time ago. I've looked for it but can't remember who the interviewer was. If she has changed her mind she should say she has changed her mind not pretend she knew the facts all along.

Almost as satisfying as seeing self-ID as a leading issue in the Tory leadership race, is seeing the bemusement of male journalists, struggling to process the revelation that women's rights matter to a large chunk of the electorate.

RR as Shadow Chancellor is hugely important in Labour. Plus she controls the money. So funding for trans projects less likely to be carried out. This is a really positive development which only happened thanks to everyone who has been screaming about this for years. Yes she screwed up in earlier announcements. However the fact is most left wing woman with any power were 100% behind trans ideology and many still are. Many of us on this board have swapped sides.

This is important because Labour is still likely to be next government winning next election is going to be tough for Tories. They also may be in coalition with the Lib Dems who are completely captured. That means the pro-woman faction inside Labour has to be reinforced and gain more influence at all costs. More and more MPs are openly coming on side as well as Labour peers, even more are secretly sympathetic. Ordinary members are pushing at local level. The biggest fringe meeting of Labour Women's Declaration ever is planned at Labour's conference in September.
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Women are taking back the Labour party, they were there when it started and everything it has ever achieved was built through both sexes.

I don't think she'll lose the whip because I think in that interview she said exactly what she was told to say by the Labour leadership. It's dawned on Starmer et al that the "TWAW" line doesn't go down well, and exposed them to ridicule, so they've come up with a new line ("Of course biological women are different!") that they're trying out and they'll see how that goes.

Their problem, obviously, is that they want to appeal both to Labour's traditional base and to their new younger, identity-conscious younger voters. I think they're trying to find a middle way, but I doubt very much if they'll succeed.

@FemaleAndLearning

She had a shocker on (I think) TalkTV. She couldn’t answer the questions and said she didn’t find them ‘helpful’. Electoral scrutiny doesn’t have to be helpful to the would-be political leader - it’s meant to be helpful to the electorate, and we get to decide what that looks like.

But she’s answered them now.

I'm still skeptical but pleased there is fight back in the party. I know a local councillor who has stayed in the party to make change. Labour have a lot of work to do in the next 18 month to 2 years.

RR is my local MP and was really helpful when I turned to her about issues with the council. She very much treated me as a real person and not a voter, and that's something amazing.