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Is it now the norm for the BBC to lie?

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Twindow · 17/07/2022 13:39

Why did the BBC interview a transwoman boxer who had boasted about cracking a woman's skull in the ring, on the basis that the woman was a "terf". And why did they (very very probably) lie about not knowing about it? Is this the norm now, because "trans rights" come before public duty and integrity?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/16/bbc-apologises-interviewing-transgender-athlete-who-boasted/

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Somanysocks · 17/07/2022 13:43

I'm not a journalist...but I know you should always research your subject beforehand.

So yes, a liar.

FrancescaContini · 17/07/2022 13:44

I fail to see how they can’t have known about the comments promising to “smack up” women who disagree with the trans ideology. The programme researchers would have easily had to hand any information in the public domain about this vile individual. A quick google would have thrown it up.

Shame on R4 - we expect better.

mrshoho · 17/07/2022 13:53

Shameful bbc. Either liars or plain incompetent (or both). As for the fighter what a first class arsewipe.

donquixotedelamancha · 17/07/2022 14:38

I think it's very unlikely that Justin Webb knew. If he did he'd have brought it up.

Certainly whoever is was doing the interview research fucked up.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 17/07/2022 14:39

It feels like the 'don't point out the truth it'll hurt my feelings" barrier should probably be a few steps back from "don't fracture my skull"

www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-who-tamikka-brents-whose-skull-broken-fallon-fox-mma-fight

hallouminatus · 17/07/2022 15:14

Unfortunately, while pointing out the BBC's failings, the Telegraph also failed to tell the truth, repeating the lie (like most of the media) that British Triathlon have barred transgender athletes from competing in the female category. They haven't: they've barred male athletes from the female category.

maltravers · 17/07/2022 15:36

If Justin Webb had known about the broken skull/attitude of FF he’d have brought it up I think. He generally seems very alert to the difficulties trans ideology bring and prepared to meet them head on. Whoever booked FF should have done their research (or if they knew the issues briefed the presenters).

Abitofalark · 17/07/2022 15:44

This is an update to a previous thread about an interview with Fallon Fox.

The Telegraph article by Ewan Somerville is headed:

"BBC apologises after interviewing transgender athlete who boasted of violence against women

Justin Webb, who led the interview, has insisted he had 'no idea' the retired MMA fighter, Fallon Fox, had made such comments"

I'm inclined to believe him on that but he also said the producers didn't know and I am not so sure about that.

JacquelinePot · 17/07/2022 15:46

Odd because I thought breaking a woman's skull was the reason anyone even knows who Fallon Fox is

Zita60 · 17/07/2022 17:39

I don't think the BBC lied.

It sounds as if they didn't know about it. Justin Webb seemed genuinely surprised when it was put to him on Twitter.

It seems more likely that the researchers didn't check FF thoroughly enough. That's bad, and they have apologised for it. They need to be more careful about interviewees in this area, given how nasty some people are.

I really can't believe any mainstream broadcaster would knowingly have invited FF if they'd known FF's history. They would know how much trouble it would cause to interview someone like that, and anything the person said would be worthless, so not good from a journalistic point of view.

stickersrule · 17/07/2022 17:41

JacquelinePot · 17/07/2022 15:46

Odd because I thought breaking a woman's skull was the reason anyone even knows who Fallon Fox is

THIS!

Belovedfool · 17/07/2022 18:30

BBC have been lying for years. Decades actually. Jimmy Savill. All the top djs of the 70s who've since been imprisoned for sex crimes. All the other things I'm sure have been covered up or hidden, because of god knows what reason. The victims are always primarily women and children of both sexes.

I don't know why anyone expects anything different.

Yes, they're lying. If not all of them, some of them definitely are.

Spanielsarepainless · 17/07/2022 18:33

Watching BBC news just now, a Northern Irish woman, talking about abortions there, actually used the phrase 'people with uteruses'. The word is 'woman'.

Zita60 · 17/07/2022 19:22

Belovedfool · 17/07/2022 18:30

BBC have been lying for years. Decades actually. Jimmy Savill. All the top djs of the 70s who've since been imprisoned for sex crimes. All the other things I'm sure have been covered up or hidden, because of god knows what reason. The victims are always primarily women and children of both sexes.

I don't know why anyone expects anything different.

Yes, they're lying. If not all of them, some of them definitely are.

So because some people at the BBC covered up sexual abuse in the past (just as people in many other organisations have done), the producers of the Today programme are definitely liars?

Namerchangerextraordinaire · 17/07/2022 19:27

It's the same as when they kept on hiring Jimmy Saville even though they knew what he was up to.

The BBC don't care about women & children.
They don't even regard it as lying if the only harm comes to women & children.

They are corrupt & need to be disbanded as they have a deeply entrenched decades long culture of facilitating & covering up abuse.

Belovedfool · 17/07/2022 20:11

Zita60 · 17/07/2022 19:22

So because some people at the BBC covered up sexual abuse in the past (just as people in many other organisations have done), the producers of the Today programme are definitely liars?

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Um...it wasn't just a wee fib, but a major cover up. It kind of took the idea that you can trust the bbc and crapped all over it. Have you been convinced that anything has changed based on the last decade's bbc behaviour? If so, please share with me what did it for you, as it would be refreshing to see something good. I'd love to believe things have changed.

aweegc · 18/07/2022 04:28

I just can't forget that BBC R4 was the station that silenced Jenni Murray. There are definitely people around there who know exactly what they're doing.

And as to not knowing about FF's behaviour..what was it about FF that attracted their (researchers'/producers") attention if it wasn't the only thing anybody knows FF for?

Bovrilly · 18/07/2022 04:56

I just can't forget that BBC R4 was the station that silenced Jenni Murray.

Eh? How do you figure that out?

nettie434 · 18/07/2022 06:09

There were a couple of threads about this at the time. I don't think Justin Webb was lying when he said he didn't know. He has been one of the few reporters who has not been afraid to challenge interviewees about this topic. As he said himself, he thinks he is one of the more knowledgeable reporters on transgender rights but he also has to cover every other news story. He doesn't choose the guests. That's the job of someone on the production team. I am not sure whether it was sloppiness on their part or if someone thought they had selected a suitable choice of guest.

I understand why Fair Play for Women complained but it's important to recognise that The Telegraph has its own reasons for negative reporting about the BBC.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 18/07/2022 07:35

Bovrilly · 18/07/2022 04:56

I just can't forget that BBC R4 was the station that silenced Jenni Murray.

Eh? How do you figure that out?

Umm…because she said so herself?

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8799931/amp/DAME-JENNI-MURRAY-cancelled-BBC-adore.html

darcyesque · 18/07/2022 08:20

The BBC has been lying about this for sometime. It lies on its news pages so why wouldn't it lie in its response to complaints. Obviously it lies. On this incident - the behind the scenes producer has one job - find the guest, write a brief, prep the presenter. So it's incompetence or mendacity. Pick your fighter

darcyesque · 18/07/2022 08:22

And yes they silenced Jenni Murray. Absolutely 100 per cent. Source: trust me bro but actually, just trust me. She was deliberately silenced

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 18/07/2022 08:29

On this incident - the behind the scenes producer has one job - find the guest, write a brief, prep the presenter. So it's incompetence or mendacity.

Is it likely the presumably-mendacious one got in trouble for this? It’s a bit shit for Justin Webb if he’s made to look stupid by some one else’s half-assed research and has no recourse.

Selkiesarereal · 18/07/2022 08:36

Many posters in this section have routinely complained to the bbc over their continued use of FF. I for one have had many a patronising response from various producers, they just don’t care and will continue to use this person irrespective of any further complaints. They really are an embarrassment.

darcyesque · 18/07/2022 08:54

'Is it likely the presumably-mendacious one got in trouble for this? It’s a bit shit for Justin Webb if he’s made to look stupid by some one else’s half-assed research and has no recourse.'

The producer won't get in any serious trouble because BBC News and current affairs is basically run by transactivists