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Anaesthetist sexually assaulted women during their c-sections

55 replies

fatlazycow · 13/07/2022 23:03

Happened in Brazil, he was only caught out when nurses hid a camera as they had suspicions something was off.

Saw this Twitter thread and was pretty horrified at how this really isn’t a rare one-off. mobile.twitter.com/Aromatica365/status/1546561941883215873

And these are only the ones that have been found out and reported in the news, likely the minority of overall offences.

are woman not safe anywhere????! Just wtf

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RagzRebooted · 13/07/2022 23:17

Women aren't safe from sexual assualts by men, anywhere that there are men.

I came across a similar case while on jury duty, so not shocked by this, but it is awful.

Babdoc · 13/07/2022 23:21

I’m a retired anaesthetist and can’t understand how this was even possible. I was never alone with any Caesarian patient in theatre - there was always an anaesthetic nurse, scrub nurse, surgeon, surgical assistant, floor/circulating nurse, theatre orderly, and the patient’s husband present. How the hell did this creep not get spotted by any of these other people?
Or are Brazilian theatres weirdly unstaffed?

MangyInseam · 13/07/2022 23:42

I thought the same Babadoc, I had four c-sections and I can't quite picture how it would work. Maybe it was after they were in recovery?

The idea of anyone groping someone with her insides out is very weird, though I guess no weirder really than furries or rubber fetishists.

MangyInseam · 13/07/2022 23:43

Sorry, Babdoc, not sure where the extra a came from!

easyday · 13/07/2022 23:56

There were about ten people in the theatre when I had my sections, including my husband, so I'm struggling to understand this.
But people can and do awful things.

fatlazycow · 14/07/2022 00:28

Some of the news articles have a still from the footage it very much happened unfortunately. Although obviously it’s concerning that the footage is out there for anybody to see, a further violation for the woman :(

just the long list of drs and healthcare professionals in that tweet. So many of them. And so many that choose to work with pregnant women. It’s just awful.

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NoBarrelOfLaughs · 14/07/2022 03:03

OMG that’s really revolting. Gosh, those poor mothers, having this happen, during what should be the most special time of their lives.

Ponderingwindow · 14/07/2022 03:34

No, women aren’t safe anywhere. An incapacitated woman should never be alone with a man in an institutional setting. Every man, whether doctor, janitor, or administrator, should need an escort to enter the space of an impaired woman. That may mean hiring fewer men, but women’s safety should not be compromised.

ArcticSkewer · 14/07/2022 03:37

Why I won't have a GA.

Honestly how awful is this world? What is wrong with some men?

sausage767 · 14/07/2022 03:40

Apparently he put his p in her mouth, he was screened by the sheet at her mid section. As the anaesthetist he was standing by her head ostensibly monitoring her.

What shocks me is the hospital knew this was going on, they just had no evidence. So they moved this birth to a theatre where they would be able to record, and catch him in the act.

They basically set this up and allowed this to happen to this woman. If I was her, I would be suing them for millions.

lemmein · 14/07/2022 03:43

Sad I've just read the description of what he did on Twitter, horrendous - it's really knocked me sick. Struggling to find words, just depraved - women aren't safe anywhere, even in a crowded theatre. Sick fuck needs putting down!

Roselilly36 · 14/07/2022 04:04

Beyond words, just sickening.

D0lphine · 14/07/2022 04:07

These things don't surprise me any more.

Inthetropics · 14/07/2022 04:38

I'm brazilian and am shocked at was has happened. All women having either a vaginal birth or a c-section have a right to have someone of their chosing at the teathre. From what I've read and saw on the news the anaesthetic asked her partner to step ou of the teathre and he did. The nurse staff (they were all women) found it odd that he heavily sedated the woman and hid a camera in order to capture anything wrong. And the camera caught it all. He ejaculated in her mouth and did it all with other people in the room hiding behind the sheet next to women's head.

Other victimns are now going to the police and it turns out he is a serial abuser. His social media is filled with religious sayings and he posted that "you are all going to hear about me" in one of his many vain posts.

MangyInseam · 14/07/2022 04:41

I can't even get my head around how someone could do that with other people right there. He must have got off on the danger.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/07/2022 07:33

Shows his power in that he's a repeat offender and it took the nurses setting up a hidden camera to out him - they knew he was doing something wrong but dare not challenge him.

PineForestsAndSunshine · 14/07/2022 08:49

Apparently doctors raping and assaulting sedated women is more common than realised

Those are just the ones who get caught. Presumably those who go to greater lengths to conceal their assaults get away with it.

FrancescaContini · 14/07/2022 08:51

Ponderingwindow · 14/07/2022 03:34

No, women aren’t safe anywhere. An incapacitated woman should never be alone with a man in an institutional setting. Every man, whether doctor, janitor, or administrator, should need an escort to enter the space of an impaired woman. That may mean hiring fewer men, but women’s safety should not be compromised.

A horrifying story, and a very sobering post.

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fatlazycow · 14/07/2022 08:56

PineForestsAndSunshine · 14/07/2022 08:49

Apparently doctors raping and assaulting sedated women is more common than realised

Those are just the ones who get caught. Presumably those who go to greater lengths to conceal their assaults get away with it.

That article 😩

Honestly I know it’s ‘not all men’ but right now I feel like I never want to go near another male dr

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FrancescaContini · 14/07/2022 08:57

I’ve just scrolled down to the BBC post. This is sickening.

PineForestsAndSunshine · 14/07/2022 09:08

Another American link but I wonder whether the dehumanisation and commodification of women through practices like non-consensual pelvic exams on unconscious patients is a contributing factor? Many countries seem to be actively teaching medical students that it's ok to use a woman's body without her consent.

fatlazycow · 14/07/2022 09:14

*In the majority of U.S. states, it’s legalTrusted Source for medical providers, typically medical students, to go into an operating room and, without a patient’s consent, push two fingers into an anesthetized patient’s vagina and perform a pelvic exam.

Oftentimes, it’s multiple medical students performing this nonconsensual exam on the same patient.*

Wtf why are women treated like this. Everywhere?! I feel really depressed and hopeless reading this stuff.

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PineForestsAndSunshine · 14/07/2022 09:29

Wtf why are women treated like this. Everywhere?!

My rather horrifying conclusion is that it's because women are not seen as fully human in the same way men are.

I do think it is slowly changing for the better in medicine though, especially in countries where more women are entering the medical professions.

Babdoc · 14/07/2022 11:35

Non consenting vaginal examination does not happen in the UK. All the medical students in my teaching hospital have to obtain informed consent from each patient on the ward prior to going to theatre, and their right to refuse is made plain. This was instituted UK wide after it became public knowledge that unconscious women were being used to train students without consent, back in the 1980s.
I’m not defending the old practice, but it was never intended as abuse of women. Quite the contrary, it was believed that it would spare conscious women the discomfort and embarrassment of having potentially clumsy students fumbling about with their first attempts at a PV. Once they had learned the correct technique in theatre, they could be trusted to be gentle and skilful when working with conscious patients. I agree entirely that this was paternalistic and unacceptable, and the women should have been asked.
I suspect my colleagues at the time thought the women would just prefer not to know, and their operation was going to involve vaginal access anyway - eg D and C, vaginal hysterectomy, polypectomy.