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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

EE 'not her problem' campaign against sexism in football

63 replies

Truthlikeness · 07/07/2022 20:31

Was very pleasantly surprised by this campaign ahead of the Euros. Squarely placing the responsibility on men to resolve sexism in football, and a great advert showing what female footballers go through.

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achillestoes · 07/07/2022 20:32

I don’t like companies moralising at me, whatever it’s about. Once they think they can ‘educate’ me about sexism, they think they get to educate me about everything else. They sell mobile phone data.

Truthlikeness · 07/07/2022 20:40

I don't have a problem with it. EE are a digital company - the campaign is part of a campaign against sexist hate online - which arguably they do have a responsibility to try to combat. I've played women's football for 30 years and put up with my share of crap - I see this as a positive step.

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Dogmatix34 · 07/07/2022 20:45

Excellent advert, really liked it.

achillestoes · 07/07/2022 20:47

People will have different views on this. The message is right. I don’t like mobile companies telling the public what to do, and actually I think men are more likely to (and did, in the comments) react defensively.

Binglebong · 07/07/2022 21:31

I really like this.

Imicola · 07/07/2022 22:07

I like it, I drove past one this morning. It's simple and to the point.

PearlClutch · 07/07/2022 22:53

Good advert.

ANameChangePresents · 07/07/2022 22:53

Fun advert. Gets the message across without being too preachy IMO. It's one clear, strong line, as opposed to paragraphs of chastising.

viques · 08/07/2022 10:34

I think it’s a good advert, if nothing else it might make people , and by people I don’t just mean men, think before they apportion blame in the wrong place : she was wearing a short skirt, she chose to walk home, she let him buy her a drink……

SolasAnla · 08/07/2022 10:54

Truthlikeness · 07/07/2022 20:40

I don't have a problem with it. EE are a digital company - the campaign is part of a campaign against sexist hate online - which arguably they do have a responsibility to try to combat. I've played women's football for 30 years and put up with my share of crap - I see this as a positive step.

How many times
did you break someones leg by jumping it?
did your stamp on someones face so hard that she lost teeth?

This makes football out to be a violent blood sport including the macho raging at the ref. Throw in the soft cuddywuddly of the baby and the white hot pants style shorts.

Great imagery, physical violence is fine but dont send mean words.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 08/07/2022 10:56

I liked this when I saw it, but obviously I completely agree with the message so there was no discomfort for me

but actually on consideration I’m inclined to agree with the ‘what business is it of yours EE?’ View

do I really want companies telling me how to be a good person, even if I happen to agree with them?

Wanderingowl · 08/07/2022 11:59

SolasAnla · 08/07/2022 10:54

How many times
did you break someones leg by jumping it?
did your stamp on someones face so hard that she lost teeth?

This makes football out to be a violent blood sport including the macho raging at the ref. Throw in the soft cuddywuddly of the baby and the white hot pants style shorts.

Great imagery, physical violence is fine but dont send mean words.

This ad is weird as fuck. It really does make women's football out to be the fucking Thunderdome. I can certainly see this advert putting more young women off sport than anything else.

Chunkymonkey123 · 08/07/2022 12:03

I thought it was great

MrsOwainGlyndŵr · 08/07/2022 12:15

achillestoes · 07/07/2022 20:32

I don’t like companies moralising at me, whatever it’s about. Once they think they can ‘educate’ me about sexism, they think they get to educate me about everything else. They sell mobile phone data.

I agree. Mobile phone companies should sell mobile phones.
Supermarkets should sell food (and clothes, and garden furniture)
The NHS should treat our medical issues

None of these organisations should be campaigning against sexism, flying PRIDE flags (looking at you business I work for) or anything else of that ilk.

Which isn't to say that they shouldn't be focussing on any kind of discrimination within their own organisations - they absolutely should.

Eggsinthemorning · 08/07/2022 12:25

It's really good that , thanks for sharing OP

ANameChangePresents · 08/07/2022 12:58

I appreciate the perspective that the violence in display might put young women off of sports. I hadn't considered that. I saw it as a hook to get the viewer's attention for the subsequent punchy message. It pulled me in, despite having conditioned myself to ignore ads.

NoToLandfill · 08/07/2022 13:06

Brilliant! About bloody time

Truthlikeness · 08/07/2022 13:07

SolasAnla · 08/07/2022 10:54

How many times
did you break someones leg by jumping it?
did your stamp on someones face so hard that she lost teeth?

This makes football out to be a violent blood sport including the macho raging at the ref. Throw in the soft cuddywuddly of the baby and the white hot pants style shorts.

Great imagery, physical violence is fine but dont send mean words.

You might have a rose-tinted idea of women's football if you think it was so far fetched. It IS an often aggressive, contact sport, and those of us who play it understand the risks and take it seriously.

I've seen more broken bones and soft tissue injuries than I can count, and had many myself. When I was playing more seriously, on average every 18 months I'd have an injury that would take me out for several weeks (broken bones, torn tendons or muscles etc).

Injuries are more often caused by accident or cynical, borderline tackles than from outright violence, but that does also happen. A close friend was elbowed in the face during a corner kick and ended up with a permanent brain injury.

The baby scene is simply showing the balance between childcare and playing commitments - something very many women face. I've seen players come off at half time to breastfeed their babies. I've seen many players face up to the referee when they disagree with a decision (the incident in the film was pretty tame) and get yellow and red cards.

I've also seen women play in very short shorts. We used to only have men's kit play in, which was enormous, but now some makers of women's football kit seem to think we want to play in bikini bottoms.

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kewgirl · 08/07/2022 13:10

More virtue signalling zzzzzzzzzzzzz

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/07/2022 13:11

I love it. Someone had to say it: VAWAG is a man problem.👏👏👏

Danikm151 · 08/07/2022 13:11

Ee are a sponsor to fund the games so it’s right that they get involved in this campaign. They are a massive brand that people recognise so are using their influence.
1 more person sees this and thinks yeah sexist hate needs to stop then that’s a good thing.

Pandaparty · 08/07/2022 14:10

Truthlikeness · 08/07/2022 13:07

You might have a rose-tinted idea of women's football if you think it was so far fetched. It IS an often aggressive, contact sport, and those of us who play it understand the risks and take it seriously.

I've seen more broken bones and soft tissue injuries than I can count, and had many myself. When I was playing more seriously, on average every 18 months I'd have an injury that would take me out for several weeks (broken bones, torn tendons or muscles etc).

Injuries are more often caused by accident or cynical, borderline tackles than from outright violence, but that does also happen. A close friend was elbowed in the face during a corner kick and ended up with a permanent brain injury.

The baby scene is simply showing the balance between childcare and playing commitments - something very many women face. I've seen players come off at half time to breastfeed their babies. I've seen many players face up to the referee when they disagree with a decision (the incident in the film was pretty tame) and get yellow and red cards.

I've also seen women play in very short shorts. We used to only have men's kit play in, which was enormous, but now some makers of women's football kit seem to think we want to play in bikini bottoms.

Agree with both these posts, Truthlikeness. A digital company trying to combat an actual crime - online harassment - doesn't really strike me as being preachy in the way that other companies trying to combat wrongthing do. Am also really glad to see the male players getting on board with this.

ChagSameachDoreen · 08/07/2022 14:12

I'd take it more seriously if EE did something that would actually turn the tide, such as banning pornography on its networks.

SolasAnla · 08/07/2022 16:08

Truthlikeness · 08/07/2022 13:07

You might have a rose-tinted idea of women's football if you think it was so far fetched. It IS an often aggressive, contact sport, and those of us who play it understand the risks and take it seriously.

I've seen more broken bones and soft tissue injuries than I can count, and had many myself. When I was playing more seriously, on average every 18 months I'd have an injury that would take me out for several weeks (broken bones, torn tendons or muscles etc).

Injuries are more often caused by accident or cynical, borderline tackles than from outright violence, but that does also happen. A close friend was elbowed in the face during a corner kick and ended up with a permanent brain injury.

The baby scene is simply showing the balance between childcare and playing commitments - something very many women face. I've seen players come off at half time to breastfeed their babies. I've seen many players face up to the referee when they disagree with a decision (the incident in the film was pretty tame) and get yellow and red cards.

I've also seen women play in very short shorts. We used to only have men's kit play in, which was enormous, but now some makers of women's football kit seem to think we want to play in bikini bottoms.

I am well aware of getting your revenge in first in sport.

My disappointment around the ad is the message should be about not attacking women in sport or anywhere using words or actual violence.

At least this ad ⬆️ gives a positive message of skill, action and team spirit.

With the EE ad we get 30 seconds on text based VAWAG is a man problem.
But only after 1 min of glamorised borderline tackles obviously violent tackles (organised sporting VAWAG is ok by woman) and the "could be a problem" tag line.
How much of the women playing the beautiful game do we actually get to see?

Violence in sport is a problem, from parents attacking coaches / refs on and off the pitch, to the famous/ rich player getting a free pass for poor choices off the pitch. Could the ad company use the first 1 min of storyline with men playing and just reminding their fans that women do this too or even that the abuse posted at male players is also wrong? If not why not?

IMO EE got the tone of this wrong. If they could not apply the 1st min to a domestic violence ad, why used for text abuse.

GerryAtrick · 08/07/2022 16:12

I'd much rather they concentrated on providing a decent, stable signal round here. I'm a bloke, I don't tell women to 'get back to the kitchen sink' and I hate football too.