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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 15:58

Johnson can call an election any time he wants to - he does not need party approval. He simply advises the Queen.

he has already raised the prospect - I agree it needs to go to an election. It needs to be settled

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 15:59

I really don’t want that but then I don’t want Starmer and his band taking over

It’s hard enough hearing them now

I’m interested in what you say though, can he just call it

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:00

He’s PM so he can call a snap election, but the risks are: he’d lose his seat, MPs would decline to stand because they couldn’t support him going to the country without the support of the parliamentary party, he’d win and have so little support in the party that we would just have to have the VONC again.

The bottom line is extremely simple: no PM can continue without a majority of MPs onside. No agenda would progress and it would be destructive for everyone.

Mordaunt, though...

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:02

He has nothing to lose, and still has a huge following. You are underestimating him

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:06

@Provenceinthesummer

Not at all. I think Johnson is a gifted politician and respect (to an extent) his determination. But I respect democracy more.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 16:06

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:02

He has nothing to lose, and still has a huge following. You are underestimating him

If it happens I hope you are right. The end of this being Starmer elected is not desirable

I think partygate has been hugely damaging - that slow repetition dominating the news created by someone who can play the public well - but maybe he can weather it, I’m not sure

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 16:08

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 15:21

Trust me the man on the street if Boris does go, and a remainer is installed or even a feeble brexiteer will see this for what it is - a stitch up!

And let’s hope no leader gets too comfortable for a few weeks as they can be thrown out as soon as the little grey men say so.

Its certainly a very good day for Putin old boy

I think this very much depends what street 'the man' or woman is on.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:09

I think we deserve to retain our democracy. I
think most people would accept the result of a GE.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:11

Mike Freer just resigned.

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wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 16:12

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:02

He has nothing to lose, and still has a huge following. You are underestimating him

Independent research indicates you're underestimating public opinion against him.

Sajid Javid just resigned
Sajid Javid just resigned
Sajid Javid just resigned
Blossomtoes · 06/07/2022 16:13

People didn’t vote for another Tory, they voted for Boris

The only people who voted for him are the constituents in Uxbridge. If we follow your (ridiculous) logic May shouldn’t have been PM.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:13

@Provenceinthesummer

A general election would just make Johnson an MP for Uxbridge. He has to have the support of the Tory party to govern.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:14

Nope he can call a snap election now as PM

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:20

But even if he keeps his seat, the 1922 committee will still unseat him through a VONC if he doesn’t have the support of the party. He can’t govern on the basis of the support of the people of Uxbridge.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 16:26

He’s on Times Radio atm with privileges committee

it’s less febrile that the PMQ environment

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:28

Yes he can continue to govern, in a snap election pro Boris MPs will be chosen to stand therefore making a VONC a non issue.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:29

I have just spent the time checking voting records and all bar a few every single resignation comes from remain. No surprise really.

This is orchestrated, co ordinated action.

Blossomtoes · 06/07/2022 16:34

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:28

Yes he can continue to govern, in a snap election pro Boris MPs will be chosen to stand therefore making a VONC a non issue.

You think pro Johnson candidates would get elected? You’re in fairy land.

BreadInCaptivity · 06/07/2022 16:38

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:28

Yes he can continue to govern, in a snap election pro Boris MPs will be chosen to stand therefore making a VONC a non issue.

How very Trumpian.....

Power at any price.

What a dreadful thing to support and try to justify.

The simple fact is that the 1922 shouldn't have to get rid of Boris. Any politician with a basic smattering of integrity would have resigned long before now.

But here we are and BJ is guaranteed to do what's best for him regardless of the consequences to his party and the country.

So I wouldn't rule out a purge of the party and a snap election but that's not cause for celebration. It's a very bad day for British politics.

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 16:40

Kemi Badenoch resigned ... twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1544673839363268616

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:43

Even a snap election would not do him any good. It’s not a mandate to lead the Conservative party.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:44

But it looks increasingly likely that he will do that.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 16:46

Noises re Zahawi being part of a group to approach PM

people are just going for it in liaison committee, sad really

(not privileges)

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2022 16:54

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:00

He’s PM so he can call a snap election, but the risks are: he’d lose his seat, MPs would decline to stand because they couldn’t support him going to the country without the support of the parliamentary party, he’d win and have so little support in the party that we would just have to have the VONC again.

The bottom line is extremely simple: no PM can continue without a majority of MPs onside. No agenda would progress and it would be destructive for everyone.

Mordaunt, though...

In theory he could.

However he also has the reality of how does he fund an election without the support of his party MPs?

He could appoint pro-Johnson candidates, but there is the question of just how many would he need to appoint and whether Tory party grassroots would support this too.

Theres the physical issue of running an election without your manpower from the Tory Party.

So in practice he knows that this really isn't viable as a strategy. He's run election campaigns before. He needs enough people to manage to do this.

As it stands with Cabinet Ministers apparently telling him its time, he hasn't got this. If he tried to do it he'd spark either a constitutional crisis or a party crisis.

Ultimately Trump couldn't do it without the backing on his party. Thats probably more true of Johnson.

Game Up if rumours about the Cabinet revolt really are true and I very much suspect they are.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 17:06

It’s all over except for the tweets, really.

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