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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bette, Mark and Macy!

54 replies

lospolloshermanosass · 05/07/2022 18:03

Lovely stuff going on on Twitter. Joanne is joining the convo with grace and calmness as usual. ❤️

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dunBle · 05/07/2022 20:29

Mark?

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2022 20:33

Mark Hamill, is that?

BettyFilous · 05/07/2022 20:34

Can anyone link to the thread?

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2022 20:37

Mark Hamill takes no shit. Ever.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 05/07/2022 20:38

Mark Hamill??

AnneShirleysNewDress · 05/07/2022 20:57

Yes, Mark Hamill. He liked Bette Midlers tweet.

Live4weekend · 05/07/2022 21:05

Many is being seriously targeted by a TW who is unhinged.

Possibly because she answered back yesterday but my gut tells me it's because not only is she a woman but she's black.

It's overstepping the mark and actually harassment I think which Macy could take further.

Really really disgusting behaviour.

Live4weekend · 05/07/2022 21:06

*Macy

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 05/07/2022 21:39

AnneShirleysNewDress · 05/07/2022 20:57

Yes, Mark Hamill. He liked Bette Midlers tweet.

My god! Assemble the pyre! Burn the heretic! Etc.

I would be v surprised if he didn't recant in some form. Having been a bit of a nothing for a good couple of decades, he's a darling of Hollywood again right now. If the pressure mounts, will he give that up? I doubt it, sadly.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 22:08

I would be v surprised if he didn't recant in some form.

I'm vaguely remembering that he's already done that dance. Am I right that he said something before and recanted?

Wanderingowl · 05/07/2022 22:23

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 22:08

I would be v surprised if he didn't recant in some form.

I'm vaguely remembering that he's already done that dance. Am I right that he said something before and recanted?

He liked a JKR tweet, got piled on and recanted. So either he's forgotten and will do the same again. Or he's finally decided 'fuck it' knows he'll get a pile on but wants to at least feel free to like a tweet he agrees with.

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 22:27

Live4weekend · 05/07/2022 21:05

Many is being seriously targeted by a TW who is unhinged.

Possibly because she answered back yesterday but my gut tells me it's because not only is she a woman but she's black.

It's overstepping the mark and actually harassment I think which Macy could take further.

Really really disgusting behaviour.

Is this directed at Macy only, or is Bette getting it, too?

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2022 22:43

Well JKR recanted at one point. Then she stood up again.

Live4weekend · 05/07/2022 23:31

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 22:27

Is this directed at Macy only, or is Bette getting it, too?

Bette's had a couple of comments, but the main hate has been directed at Macy. I guess I am new to Twitter so shocked at the level of hate.

I don't understand why its allowed.

LunaLights · 05/07/2022 23:39

@Live4weekend - it is allowed because: it is women being attacked, and it is mainly males who are doing the attacking.

nepeta · 06/07/2022 00:22

LunaLights · 05/07/2022 23:39

@Live4weekend - it is allowed because: it is women being attacked, and it is mainly males who are doing the attacking.

Twitter moderation is very biased, and their ideology is a bit like The Animal Farm where all animals are equal, only some are more equal than others. That latter group does not include bog-standard women.

But they do seem to banish women a little less than before, perhaps still fearing a Musk takeover.

LunaLights · 06/07/2022 01:13

Yes - @nepeta - it is almost as though Twatter can tell with ease which are the males and which are the females on their platform…

lospolloshermanosass · 06/07/2022 07:47

Live4weekend · 05/07/2022 21:05

Many is being seriously targeted by a TW who is unhinged.

Possibly because she answered back yesterday but my gut tells me it's because not only is she a woman but she's black.

It's overstepping the mark and actually harassment I think which Macy could take further.

Really really disgusting behaviour.

I think you're right.

She seems to give no shits though, she's always been like that.

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lospolloshermanosass · 06/07/2022 07:48

LunaLights · 06/07/2022 01:13

Yes - @nepeta - it is almost as though Twatter can tell with ease which are the males and which are the females on their platform…

Shocking that innit.

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Wanderingowl · 06/07/2022 08:55

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2022 22:43

Well JKR recanted at one point. Then she stood up again.

I don't blame people for recanting. They obviously believe what they first agreed with. Probably thought it was a statement of the obvious but don't know enough about the current discourse to understand the shitstorm they are bringing down on themselves. Then they are either scared off and say sorry for the sake of peace/their livelihoods/relationships with people in real life who may also be confronting them/etc. Or they may actually think they must have done something wrong apologise and set out to work out why they got such a massive reaction.

This topic is so crazy, I don't blame people who can safely keep their head down for keeping their head down. My own activism on this issue is quiet and careful. It's when someone not just recants but then attacks the person who they had agreed with that it's an issue. Mark Hamill saying he was sorry after liking a JKR quote is fine, disappointing but understandable. If he'd made a statement about how she was evil and he was somehow fooled by her evilness, that would be something else. Given that he stayed quiet, then like Bette Midler's tweet suggests that he was never 'sorry' that he liked JKR's tweet just afraid to say what he really thinks and now, hopefully, feels a bit braver.

JM10 · 06/07/2022 09:06

I totally agree with you. I'm careful how many tweets and what tweets I like that say what I believe because I genuinely worry it could draw negative attention. I'm just a normal person and I worry about that, you can see why celebrities wouldn't want to risk liking the wrong thing or they'd take it back and say sorry when it drew them negative attention.

JM10 · 06/07/2022 09:07

My post was supposed to quote wanderingowl

northstars · 06/07/2022 09:21

Macy Gray has backtracked 😕
“I have nothing but love for the LGBTQ+ and transgender community and have been a supporter since Day One. My statement on Piers Morgan was grossly misunderstood. I don't hate anyone. I respect everyone's right to feel comfortable in their bodies and live their own truth."

dolorsit · 06/07/2022 10:21

I don't see that as rowing back. Part of the problem is when anyone says anything thing that recognises the differences between transwomen and women it gets categorised as "hate"

Just because you believe that the word woman means human female doesn't mean you hate transwomen. If you are opposed to legal self-Id it doesn't mean you are opposed to transwomen having the protected characteristic of gender reassignment and all the protection that flows from that.

Wanderingowl · 06/07/2022 10:59

Exactly. I mean, most of us here don't hate trans people. We're all more than happy for people to live their lives as they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. It's just that the current situation is hurting many women, children and same sex attracted people. For a long, long time my initial thoughts were, 'I'm not anti-trans but I have concerns.' I hated the thought of being considered anti-trans.

Now I know that I'll be screamed down as a hateful bigot for expressing even the tiniest bit of non-compliance. And while, like I mentioned up thread, careful in my real life activism, another part of me, just things fine, fuck it, I'm an anti-trans bigot so, whatever. I'm not, not at all, but the power of that accusation to make me stop and row back, has gone. I don't care what they call me because I know it's not true. For people who aren't as steeped in this as a lot of us are, it's an awful fucking shock to say something that you probably thought was carefully considered and get screamed at as a bigot. Macy and Bette are probably reeling from the hate that's been thrown at them, especially Macy. So they are trying to clarify, they don't hate, the support everyone's right to live as they choose. But they both, especially actually Bette Middler in her full thread of recent tweets, aren't rowing back, at least yet. They are saying they are being misunderstood, because they are. They just don't realise that if they don't comply completely, they will be called bigots.