TRAs attempting to obstruct Cass review.

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Saw this on Twitter. It seems that TRAs and captured alphabet groups are co-ordinating to try and stop the Cass review getting access to data that will allow the results of experimental treatment for trans-identifying children to be assessed.

twitter.com/CTransTalks/status/1542834235752448002

Might be worth writing to Javid, Cass and perhaps Baroness Nicholson and any other interested parties to make them aware and also to express support for the review.

I read a series of posts from a fairly public (female) person, that gave a bit of an account of how she came to believe ‘TWAW’, and it was interesting. She said she used to believe (like I would say I did) that transwomen weren’t literally women, that women needed their own spaces sometimes, and then she started to ‘see’ that what people were saying when they said TW /= women was that it was very similar to ‘separate but equal’, and from there she reconsidered all her prejudices and came to ‘see’ that it was a matter of deciding they were actually women, and that that was the right and moral position to take.

What that tells me is that she doesn’t believe it today any more than she believed it then. It’s not an empirical issue for her, it’s a moral issue. She deems it more moral to tell the lie than to tell the truth.

That’s why the tide is turning so slowly. We’re not trying to change minds with information. We’re trying to sway a moral ‘balance’ - these are people who know perfectly well that what they are saying is not true. They will only be persuaded to tell the truth when they feel the harm done by the lie outweighs the harm done by the truth.

For many of them that will be never.

Controlling the data helps to control the narrative. If the data says something different to the narrative they want, it affects the moral arguments they want to make.

I think ideally they would like to control the data, but if they can’t, no biggie - just say it’s transphobic, it’s flawed due to XYZ ‘reasons’ and conclude it’s a tool for a transphobic government to justify withholding medical ‘care’. They’ll slice it and dice it however they have to do avoid the truth.

We’re not trying to change minds with information. We’re trying to sway a moral ‘balance’ - these are people who know perfectly well that what they are saying is not true. They will only be persuaded to tell the truth when they feel the harm done by the lie outweighs the harm done by the truth.

Yes, those on the side of 'gender' are using emotive arguments*, not reasoning, evidence, stats, data, etc.

I find it interesting that most women are less inclined to talk about the emotive reasons they may have.

For example, many if not most women have experienced sexual assault at one time in their lives. But most don't wish to bring it up, maybe don't want to spell out the consequences. We hear an awful lot about how 'marginalised' some people are; not so much about how 'marginalised' women are. In fact, I don't know if I've heard that used, ever, as an argument.

*Which are of course largely anecdotal and unquantifiable, by their nature.

Sajid Javid has just resigned. Let’s hope his approach continues under whoever replaces him (Kemi would be great). Maybe Javid is positioning himself for an imminent leadership contest.

Javid has resigned. I hope whoever takes over as Minister for Health maintains the direction he had set out.

Off topic, but Sajid Javid has just resigned - maybe planning to run for PM? Hope whoever replaces him as Health Secretary follows his lead on this issue.

Cross post - great minds, eh? Although it shows mine is a little slower...

Well, he may have competition from Rishi now too.

Oh. Interesting times ...

I'm very apprehensive.

What if it's Dorries?

I've just seen Steve Barclays is taking over health. I know nothing about Barclays.

Barclay is said to have strong Christian views and to have been instrumental in preventing Johnson including transgender people in the conversion therapy bill. Read that on Twitter.

He’s Cambridge, Sandhurst, seems to come from a ‘lower middle class’ family (civil service/IT).

Sounds like a ripe candidate for a late transition on the face of it...

lol

This is typical of an ideology with cult like obsession's. The list of medical Practioners, Pediatricians, Child psychiatrists, Research scientists at prestigious universities and medical schools who have been threatened, abused, defamed, and sacked is astonishing. Prominent people and the list of those attacked by these activists is too long to present here. They also have been restructuring the English language to demean people they oppose. Terfs, Transphobes, Biggots, Cis Women, Chest feeders, Birthing parent etc. So of course they don't want any review, they know what the evidence from TAVISTOCK showed on the use of puberty blockers on children, a big scandal and it is nothing when the review of treatments of children and the appalling lack of evidence are exposed. Cass interim report is the tip of the iceberg. A huge scandal. Sweden and Finland -- no more medical treatment of trans children, NONE. When you are 18 yes until then off to a psychiatrist. The number of trans identifying kids will fall dramatically. The activists know that will happen, hence their activities.

That's their achilles heel and they know it.

They can't defend their views with reason so all attempts to bottom out what's really going on are shut down if they can

to try and stop the Cass review getting access to data that will allow the results of experimental treatment for trans-identifying children to be assessed

Sometimes this stuff gives me an icy feeling in my stomach. It's a horror story. People not only allowing, and enabling, medical experimentation (with some already known harmful effects) on children. But also doing their best to prevent the results being recorded.

How do these people sleep at night? How do they keep convincing themselves they're on the right side of history?

I agree except for this: I really believe it’s turned up to fill a gap in teen subculture and like all the others it will fizzle in a handful of years.

True in relation to teens and students.

But the main ideology was created by adult males and it continues to serve their purposes. The children and teens are collateral damage.

I don’t see it as too different to the rampant cosmetic surgery industry that allows young adults to pay to have all their teeth filed down to points, or mentally ill individuals to have a stream of unnecessary surgeries to try and alleviate their body dysmorphia. It’s being fuelled by social media and the only reason this has particularly peaked my interest is this time their coming after our children.

*theyre

Sorry have not read all the thread and don't know the correct way to report question this but birdssweepsin mentioned faetozer. Is this an error/auto correct as Faye Tozer is a real person - was in Steps. Could someone more knowledgeable check.