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UK students more anti-free speech than ever: cultural socialism

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Pluvia · 30/06/2022 10:53

I stumbled across this article:

unherd.com/thepost/britains-students-will-be-woke-forever/

I'm not sure I understand what is meant (or the implications) by the phrase 'cultural socialism.' If anyone can explain this, I'd be obliged.

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MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 23:04

Fifteentoes · 05/07/2022 22:45

And yet polls show a considerable majority of them believing the Trump story that the last election was stolen - and thus supporting, at least in principle, Trump's attempt at a fascist coup. And Trump, having nailed his colours to the mast as an ACTUAL fascist with no regard for democracy whatsoever, is a frontrunner to win the next Republican nomination because they know he will be popular with voters.

Can't say I much agree with your conception of "moderate".

Doubts of one kind or another about voting in the US are found all across the political spectrum, we've seen them for years. They are a politically disenfranchised nation which no doubt is part of it, but it's also a huge bungling bureaucracy that most citizens think is somewhat corrupt.

You are making a bit of a leap with "in principle" there.

CliantheLang · 06/07/2022 16:51

Fifteentoes · 05/07/2022 22:45

And yet polls show a considerable majority of them believing the Trump story that the last election was stolen - and thus supporting, at least in principle, Trump's attempt at a fascist coup. And Trump, having nailed his colours to the mast as an ACTUAL fascist with no regard for democracy whatsoever, is a frontrunner to win the next Republican nomination because they know he will be popular with voters.

Can't say I much agree with your conception of "moderate".

And yet polls show a considerable majority of them believe the Clinton story that the 2016 election was stolen by Vladimir Putin.

This despite 4 years of investigation by Democrat operative Robert Mueller proving the whole story was a hoax.

Fifteentoes · 06/07/2022 17:28

And yet polls show a considerable majority of them believe the Clinton story that the 2016 election was stolen by Vladimir Putin.

A considerable majority of who? And which polls show that?

antifascist · 06/07/2022 21:29

MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 22:56

Again, you need to watch the whole interview.

He is linking what he sees as a war on western or European culture with the id pol thinking about "whiteness," suggesting that the latter exists as a mechanism for the former. That is, the people undertaking this see it as a war on whiteness and justify it on that basis, when really it's an attempt to discredit a whole culture.

He talks about this about an hour before the clip you posted, it's what the rest of the interview is predicated around.

Why is this racist being racist?

because he's racist.

Why is @MangyInseam supporting him? a question only they can answer

theclangersarecoming · 06/07/2022 22:00

antifascist · 03/07/2022 21:35

He’s an out and out great replacement theory fascist posting about the scary Muslims taking over our white Christian west . He’s antisemitic too. Just because he went to Eton and writes fir the Spectator doesn’t make those views acceptable to me. I understand that some on here are fans..

gay fascists are still fascists.

It’s the very height of bad taste and poor judgment to throw around accusations of “fascism” like this. Deeply juvenile — in my day only done by a certain kind of teenage public schoolboy who liked to model himself on The Young Ones.

It’s really exceptionally ignorant and poor taste to compare people whose perfectly lawful political views you just don’t happen to like, to what happened under fascism. For shame — when there’s real war going on right now showing you what happens under actual totalitarian politics — tanks, bombs, rape, mass murder, cities left in rubble. You people should be absolutely ashamed to go about spouting such ignorant hyperbolic rubbish.

I tell you what — whose political system will you prefer when the jackboots start marching in? Would you prefer to be somewhere like Mariupol today, with your family being shelled by soldiers from an extreme regime; or won’t it seem that bad then to live in a normal democratic society where people haven’t actually literally murdered anyone, but are merely actually allowed to air their silly old opinions no matter whether you disagree?

Do some bloody reading about “fascism” to start with, and have a bit of a think about what it looks like to be spouting such childish and arrant nonsense at people ffs.

Notmanybroadbeans · 06/07/2022 22:54

I would characterise the students' sentiments as classic anti-blasphemy. Not in the sense of being sincerely upset, but in the outrage that someone has said what should not be said. It's a fearful, conformist kneejerk instinct. Except now the god is Other People's Feelings. The hypothetical feelings of the most easily-offended person in the world, of course; the lowest common denominator.

I see featherbrained adults I know clucking about, gleefully turning things over to find "Ooh, is that a bit problematic? Ooh, did someone say the wrong word? Are they a baddie?" like it's a game. In my experience they are self-absorbed people with a proudly narrow outlook on life. They also seem to get a bit of a kick out of it, like a child who's been told not to touch something moving their finger right next to it while grinning at you. "But I'm not touching it, Mum! I'm a good boy!". More understandable in an 18yo than a 38yo, of course.

beastlyslumber · 07/07/2022 09:14

theclangersarecoming · 06/07/2022 22:00

It’s the very height of bad taste and poor judgment to throw around accusations of “fascism” like this. Deeply juvenile — in my day only done by a certain kind of teenage public schoolboy who liked to model himself on The Young Ones.

It’s really exceptionally ignorant and poor taste to compare people whose perfectly lawful political views you just don’t happen to like, to what happened under fascism. For shame — when there’s real war going on right now showing you what happens under actual totalitarian politics — tanks, bombs, rape, mass murder, cities left in rubble. You people should be absolutely ashamed to go about spouting such ignorant hyperbolic rubbish.

I tell you what — whose political system will you prefer when the jackboots start marching in? Would you prefer to be somewhere like Mariupol today, with your family being shelled by soldiers from an extreme regime; or won’t it seem that bad then to live in a normal democratic society where people haven’t actually literally murdered anyone, but are merely actually allowed to air their silly old opinions no matter whether you disagree?

Do some bloody reading about “fascism” to start with, and have a bit of a think about what it looks like to be spouting such childish and arrant nonsense at people ffs.

GREAT POST

smithsinarazz · 07/07/2022 09:35

Yes, absolutely.
I really rate the "Political Spectrum" idea that political opinions fall along two axes - liberal/authoritarian with regard to behaviour; redistributive or otherwise when it comes to money. Socialism, in the original sense, is about money, not behaviour, so talking about "cultural socialism" here doesn't make very much sense.

Historically, in this country, the Left has tended to subsume relatively redistributive policies and relatively social-liberal ones. However, there's no absolute reason why the two should be found together - currently, it's the most redistributive "hard left" that's also the most authoritarian with regard to enforcing gender ideology.

smithsinarazz · 07/07/2022 09:42

@AlienatedChildGrown TITs - love it :)

MangyInseam · 08/07/2022 02:13

smithsinarazz · 07/07/2022 09:35

Yes, absolutely.
I really rate the "Political Spectrum" idea that political opinions fall along two axes - liberal/authoritarian with regard to behaviour; redistributive or otherwise when it comes to money. Socialism, in the original sense, is about money, not behaviour, so talking about "cultural socialism" here doesn't make very much sense.

Historically, in this country, the Left has tended to subsume relatively redistributive policies and relatively social-liberal ones. However, there's no absolute reason why the two should be found together - currently, it's the most redistributive "hard left" that's also the most authoritarian with regard to enforcing gender ideology.

Well, not money so much as economic role.

You could be a rich peasant. For example. A person who owns the means of production can go bust.

The idea in this is they are taking that capitalist/worker dyad, which is economic and a functional relation, and applying it to other dyads that are being described as functional. But they are culturally defined or cultural in their origin, so things like white/PoC, cis/trans, straight/queer, settler/indigenous.

It doesn't really work, but it describes the way some think.

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