Tavistock data review

[McDuffy]

Gender change data to be scrutinised

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cedc8a46-f7e3-11ec-84c1-32e852e780b0?shareToken=af430bf386b617dba5cad2f2f4b6b2aa

I’m calling it: Sajid Javid is excellent, and no embarrassment to us as the next Prime Minister.

About time. If it helps so many 'trans children' from becoming suicidal, then the results will show this.

I think we all know already though.

Things feel like they're really moving in the right direction now. I wouldn't mind him for PM, either.

Hmm. If they go looking for 'harm' they are likely to find it. They should be studying outcomes, positive and negative. I'm glad that the work will be done though.

Well its the best thing fir the kids in question amd future kids. And they know what they are doing right. Affirmation amd medication is best practice right? So no ones gonna kick off at this because there's nothing to worry about right?

I expect nothing but " we welcome this review to show what we already know we have nothing to hide" statuses

He's a tory. So no.

I'm a bit perplexed about why those who have transitioned are given a new NHS number, that's crazy.

Good. Information can only be beneficial.

I hope they start to think about whether these children have been mentally arrested, as well as physically, too.

This is good news. Javid reportedly tried to get to the data on grooming and make it public but was stonewalled:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070905/DAN-HODGES-reveals-inside-story-cover-abuse-young-girls.html

If that report is true then he seems to have decided to make this data interrogation as robust as it can be.

Does this mean there won't be a final Cass Review now ("summer") or that this study will form an add-on to that final review? Or be a separate thing?

They need to look for harm though, to see whether the treatment works, or what the consequences of treatments are, so consent can be informed.

I'm very glad this is being reviewed by Hillary Cass and not Bristol University trans flagged 20 year old blokes.

‘He's a tory. So no.’

Labour aren’t going to stop it.

‘I'm a bit perplexed about why those who have transitioned are given a new NHS number, that's crazy.’

It is. Again, Labour won’t stop it.

This shows the extent of the ideological capture of institutions by zealots. I'm very glad this is now being done, but anyone with a shred of sanity realises that this should have happened from the very beginning.
If you're going to be experimenting on healthy bodies, especially of children, then you should have had all the protocols set up in place so researchers could carefully track outcomes to ensure people were getting the right treatment.

Anyway, as other posters have said, the zealots are very confident that experimenting on healthy bodies leads to excellent results, so they should be fully on board with researchers finally being able to show proof that they were right all along.

‘I hope they start to think about whether these children have been mentally arrested, as well as physically, too.’

Seems entirely reasonable to think that puberty blockers would stall aspects of neurological and probably psychological development.

I'm a bit perplexed about why those who have transitioned are given a new NHS number, that's crazy.

One of the digits, possibly the last one, is odd for males and even for females, or vice versa. So when someone transitions, this digit changes too.

@MiniTheMinx they are given new NHS numbers because your number is made up of 3 sets of number your DOB, your sex marker(odd/even for male/female) and the number position of child being registered that day. So when someone changes their sex with the NHS to their gender identity they will be issued a new NHS number which will then have a false sex marking number

Whilst this is welcome and needs to be done the cynic in me tells me they are not just doing this because they care about the young people caught up in this ideology. I think they can see that this could (and us highly likely to) lead to many claims against the NHS.

It will be interesting to see what recommendations and changes are made following the report. Will it actually protect and restrict or will it just ensure the NHS can't be sued at a later date.

‘Whilst this is welcome and needs to be done the cynic in me tells me they are not just doing this because they care about the young people caught up in this ideology.’

I think Javid actually does care. He has been really good on this issue.

So when someone changes their sex with the NHS to their gender identity they will be issued a new NHS number which will then have a false sex marking number

That makes it harder to do research on long term outcomes post transition, surely.

I am astounded that laws needed to be changed to allow this to happen in the first place.

Who convinced people that either following through on treatment to ensure that it was successful or not having a system to connect two NHS numbers to ensure continuity of data was a good thing for any group of people?

Yes, this is what I was getting at.

In addition to this how can the right medical attention be given when these individuals present to their GP or worse in a life threatening condition to emergency services.

‘Who convinced people that either following through on treatment to ensure that it was successful or not having a system to connect two NHS numbers to ensure continuity of data was a good thing for any group of people?’

The problem (and this has always been one of the problems with oversight of new fields of medicine) is that becoming an expert in gender ‘medicine’ is a self-selecting process. You are both the motivated party and the expert. So people who should know better, and view outcomes objectively, listen to people with the most reason to distort the facts. Only once the ‘medicine’ becomes more mainstream does it become subject to more usual checks and balances.

Probably the point tbh. Its incredibly suspicious how much of the affirming " care" is designed to make sure you cabt follow up or check anyone amd eliminates the calls fir screening for sex based illnesses. Then they can blame the nhs or poor GPS when the patient gets sick.or dies not themselves for obscuring reality and causing the issue

Long timeFWR lurker rarely post due to RCN NMC and NHS view in this area. So there is a risk to my career.

In my experience often long before an adult has had (even their first appt) with GI services, they have changed their health care records. The aim is for the new health care record to be indistinguishable from another record of the adopted sex class.

By doing so there is an erasure of the previous record. The new health care record must not 'reveal' trans status .... because ....IDK.

I have met UK adults (who I would expect to have comprehensive healthcare record) giving a verbal account of their complex diagnosis/treatment history and I had no access to data re previous episodes of care - because that person (original patient) no longer 'exists'. This troubles me on so many levels.

I don't work in primary care but understand that GP requesting new healthcare record/NHS number, (if aware) can link new record to the old (or share some data from one to the other) but the patient must consent to this...hence risk of invite to cervical screening when you have a prostate.

The changing of the NHS ID sex marker is shocking and incredibly irresponsible.

Maybe there should be new 'sex' /'gender' markers but it is factually incorrect to give trans people markers of the opposite sex.

I actually cannot wrap my head around this. It's a lie and I am deeply disturbed to read that the National Health Service, which is funded by tax payers and the public (and lines the pockets of American private companies) would manage healthcare based on an ideology that has been aggressively pushed.

I find this very sinister.

@Impossiblenurse

This is what Javid meant by ‘bordering on the ideological’. A transitioned or transitioning human isn’t a new person. They are the same entity - their genes, organs, psyche - as they were before the medical treatments that society allowed to be performed on them. Those treatments - or indeed the absence of those treatments - have consequences. Refusing to track those consequences is bad medicine, it’s as a simple as that.

So when someone changes their sex with the NHS to their gender identity they will be issued a new NHS number which will then have a false sex marking number

Why the everliving fuck would people be allowed to falsify this fundamental data in the first place? If there's one place you do not want incorrect sex data it's somewhere like that.

I can only assume that as Helen Joyce has said, this seems to have been conceived as a sort of "witness protection programme". I really don't see how this level of paranoia about being "outed" is justified.

The new health care record must not 'reveal' trans status .... because ....IDK.

I was wondering - and maybe you know - is this record tampering compulsory? Can the patient request that the records not be screwed with?

Is it one of those things like TullipR(?) talked about - maybe you're pressured into it? If you're not going to do the record change, you're not serious about treatment?