Boris Johnson speaks again

[achillestoes]

He says if you’re born with a penis you’re a man. He reiterates his three concerns about trans issues: Gillick competence for children receiving transitioning treatments, women’s spaces, sports. He says we need to treat people with sensitivity but he sees no reason to dissent from what FINA say is appropriate in women’s swimming.

These comments are reported in the Daily Mail and he made them on his Rwanda trip.

Gender politics. The claim is that they were not “real” or “proper” women.

They were.

‘The claim is that they were not “real” or “proper” women.

They were.’

Exactly. I don’t remember much about Thatcher but Theresa May is hardly ‘masculine’ or ‘behaving like a man’. She’s a female leader. It’s a thing.

This is what Keir Starmer had to say about gender dysphoria and children/adolescents when he came on here trying to win votes from us.

Many many parents (including myself) have tried to engage him on the issue since he became Labour Leader. Every single one of us has been ignored or rebuffed. Some of the things I’ve seen his office say to parents are quite awful.

He has no interest in getting involved in the issue.

Don't you know? Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May might be women , but they aren't the right sort of women.

Add also in the case of Mrs May " and nobody else wanted the job anyway"

Even if a woman displays characteristics that a gendered society associates with men why does it matter?

They are still a woman.

That HH quote amazes me for the sheer length some will go to shoot themselves in the foot

So Starmer sees childhood transition in the context of human rights - the human right of a child to demand sterilisation and anorgasmia. We know this, otherwise he would have done the decent thing and spoken out against his own activists by now. Dangerous.

Another one here who used to be so left wing I joined Labour and supported Corbyn.

Then there was Lily Madigan.

Here I am now supporting the fucking Tories.

Thanks Labour I can't believe what you have done.

Well said @IvyTwines

Sorry if that seemed confrontational, it was an add on rather than a challenge.

‘Don't you know? Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May might be women , but they aren't the right sort of women.’

Harman said something about Labour women trying to change the whole system and Thatcher and May being content to work within it. No idea what she means. I suspect Labour is just full of unreconstructed old sexists like David Lammy, who would rather call us dinosaurs while talking out of his backside than listen to us.

Starmer is utterly useless.

He spoke about "supporting women's sports" recently, in light of recent swimming announcements. This is an infuriatingly meaningless statement from him seeing as he supports self-ID, meaning "woman" = "anyone"

"I support anyone's sport" doesn't really cut it when there's a blatant clash of rights in sport.

I think Starmer did say he thought the Bridges decision was correct. But that just tells me he cares more about sports than about female victims of rape.

Presumably they weren’t “womanly” enough to count as actual women ? “Womanly” being a bigger claim to “real womanhood” than being an actual woman these days.

Being small c conservative on some issues puts more of a question mark over your female status than having a penis according to some people I’ve disagreed with on SM. So a big C will deffo get you disqualified.

I’ll chuck a tenner on Kemi being the third, or fourth female Tory PM before Labour ever pick one as a leader on the basis that she’s the best bet they’ve got to win an election.

Plenty of women wrote to Starmer about this when he became Leader of the Opposition. I was one of them.

He chose not to listen and has thrown his hat in with the people who believe that women can have penises and that the definition of 'woman' rests on some nebulous feeling of inner femininity.

Starmer knows about this issue and he doesn't care.

Good that he said something but it means nothing if he doesn't inact legislation to keep single sex spaces and do something about the harresment of women by the trans mafia. Deeds not words.

‘I’ll chuck a tenner on Kemi being the third, or fourth female Tory PM before Labour ever pick one as a leader on the basis that she’s the best bet they’ve got to win an election.’

Definitely.

Johnson is a liar and a political opportunist.

He's decided it's expedient to tell the truth on this. Only men have a penis.

Starmer is a liar and a political opportunist.

He's decided it's in his interest to continue to lie about this. He thinks it's the lie his party want him to tell.

It's politics. There is no purity. If you're looking for the side that never lies and always has the moral high ground that's when you'll be 'homeless' because you're naive.

For me this is one issue where the lie is so fundamental and in opposition to obvious reality, the fact Starmer is prepared to say it still floors me.

Meanwhile it seems that Spain is now to go for self identity in legislation. For children too. They don’t seem to have informed themselves on the problems that it will throw up.

That’s a disappointing thing for Harriet Hartman to have said about female Tory PM’s. Like them or not they were women.

‘That’s a disappointing thing for Harriet Hartman to have said about female Tory PM’s. Like them or not they were women.’

I was really disappointed as well. She was trying to argue the next Labour leader needs to be a woman, but she just looked like walking defeat.

Re. Starmer I think he has to be pushed on this issue by using the word female not women. So female sports. Can he say that he thinks female sports should be protected. Saying womens sports allows for the trickery that using “women” does.
But he can’t say female as it does beg the follow up question of so you do think female sports should be protected but you don’t think female prisons should be? Or hospital wards? Or rape crisis centres? It’s very hard to then argue that safety, fairness in female sports ( as important as they are) are MORE important than safety and fairness in these others areas. And I think everyone knows this hence the pushback.

Has Starmer met with the Labour Women's Declaration yet, you know like he promised?

And yeah, it's curious how Johnson only ever seems to bring this up when he's in the shit.

No, Starmer hasn’t.

Yes, Johnson does wheel this out as a distraction but on this occasion he was asked the question. And it’s important to remember the placement of Truss, Javid, Badenoch, Zahawi, Dorries, Kishwer Falkner etc support the view that he has intended to move in this direction for a while.

Precisely, @FemmeNatal
Feminists fight for the right of all women to hold power. even those we disagree with and those who are not feminists.

Stella Creasey has stated unequivocally that
"A transwoman is an adult human female".

The word female is not safe with the Labour Party.