Nadine Dorries to meet with sporting associations

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Dorries has been making the right noises on the issue of male people in female sports for a while, but on Tuesday she is holding a meeting with Sport England and other bodies representing football, cricket, rugby, tennis and other sports. She intends to make it clear that she is expects sporting bodies to reserve female sports for people born female. I think the implicit message is that sporting bodies need to do this voluntarily or they will seek to legislate on it.

Does anyone know where Lucy Powell, the Shadow Minister for Culture and Sports, stands on this?

‘He is not a leader imo as he is unwilling or unable to make (potentially ) unpopular decisions or decisions at all.’

I wouldn’t want someone this dithery as PM even if I agreed with him.

The problem with a 20 week limit is the NHS anomaly scan could be at 22 weeks. So what if a life limiting condition or disability is discovered a fortnight later? No one is having second trimester abortions for shits and giggles.

appreciate this is going off topic but I know of one couple whose second child was diagnosed at 16/18 weeks with rare genetic condition, likely to have limited life quality. They were advised to have further tests and that took them to over 20 weeks. The further tests came back with more genetic conditions which meant that the child was extremely unlikely to survive birth and have a zero quality of life. They choose a termination at about 24 weeks, terrible choice but for them, those extra 3 or 4 weeks of time gave them space to make the very best decision for them and their first child. So depending on how good maternity services are, 24 weeks can be a better option.

SallyLockheart

Severe foetal abnormalities are already grounds for an abortion after 24 weeks, though.

The record for premature survival is now down to 21 weeks. If an MP is uncomfortable with an abortion limit that’s currently placed after the earliest possible survival - I’d say she’s doing her job, in a democratic society, to express those concerns and put forward possible changes to legislation.

Why are we arguing about women’s sport being reserved for women, when it should be obvious that most sports have to be separated into male and female? Because one particular group decided ‘feels’ trumped ‘facts’. Now ‘facts’ are fighting back.

If someone comes on here and tells me I should disapprove of Nadine Dorries because of abortion, and therefore shouldn’t support her on sports, they’re basically arguing that ‘feels’ (disapproval of one of her views) trump ‘facts’ (she’s right on this).

Well, stuff that.

Agree facts need to fight back. Sorry for derail - yes, and I had forgotten about the extension for severe foetal abnormalities

I'm glad that the Secretary of State for Culture is addressing the issue of born males in women's sport - finally. Can't wait to hear what the response from the Stonewall captured sports bodies will be.

‘appreciate this is going off topic but I know of one couple whose second child was diagnosed at 16/18 weeks with rare genetic condition, likely to have limited life quality. They were advised to have further tests and that took them to over 20 weeks. The further tests came back with more genetic conditions which meant that the child was extremely unlikely to survive birth and have a zero quality of life. They choose a termination at about 24 weeks, terrible choice but for them, those extra 3 or 4 weeks of time gave them space to make the very best decision for them and their first child. So depending on how good maternity services are, 24 weeks can be a better option.’

Well this is why the US bans are so scary. They’re not balancing the interests of the mother against those of the foetus or even considering the best interests of the foetus.

Abortion should be as early as possible and as late as necessary.
this debate shouldn’t derail the trans women in sport debacle

Pulling up my chair, with popcorn. Can’t say I really like Nadine but she is straight talking !

He’s made it very clear that he believes that trans women are women.

Given that his statement about women’s spirts is meaningless.

We already have time limits in the UK.

Can you start a separate abortion thread. I want to see about womens rights in sports and how that might filter into other areas that affect women, such as prisons and women only short lists and womens hospital wards

I don't want to derail the thread but given what has happened in the US this week I am resistant to any claims the UK needs to have its own debate.

I agree, I'm becoming extremely fed up with this constant well, she said/thinks this about that and I disagree so she is a bad person.

Nadine Dorries brief is Culture, Media and Sport and what she is currently advocating for is part of that brief, abortion is not part of that brief and is not being discussed at the meeting she has arranged, why is it relevant in a discussion about what ND is doing/saying in a meeting she has arranged with Sporting Bodies on Tuesday?

ND is forthright I hope she is with the Sporting Bodies and if they do not comply that ND brings in draconian legislation to force them to. Furthermore, I hope ND stipulates that the exclusion of males from female sport is across the board and not just in the 'elite' area.

Can’t say I really like Nadine but she is straight talking!

Straight talking but most of what she says is utter drivel.

She’s right about this, though.

Not true.

She has wanted to cut abortion time limits from 24 weeks to 20 weeks and strip abortion providers of a role in counselling women

20 weeks would still be one of the longest time limits anywhere.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/mp-nadine-dorries-health-minister-boris-johnson-reshuffle-abortion-views-319365

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/07/nadine-dorries-abortion-amendment-defeated

Dorries insisted that she did not want to restrict access to abortion. "I do not want to return to the days of back-street abortionists," she said. "I am pro-choice. Abortion is here to stay."

Why is it "appalling"?

The provision for late abortion for serious health issues would still apply. The UK would still be an outlier compared to the rest of Europe in relation to time limits. And finally, she was roundly defeated on it.

She is anti abortion.

www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/07/nadine-dorries-abortion-amendment-defeated

She tried to have BPAS and Marie Stopes prevented from offering counselling to women

”It must be wrong that the abortion provider, who is paid to the tune of £60m to carry out terminations, should also provide the counselling if a woman feels strong or brave enough to ask for it. If an organisation is paid that much for abortions, where is the incentive to reduce them?"

Good on her

Starmer is hopeless because he’s says woman but it means both sexes

Whatever she is doing, it’s not because she has fairness or the best interests of women or anyone else in mind. Loyalty to the tory line of stoking cultural division is her concern - it’s what keeps her in a job. If she is actually doing something helpful then we should assume that’s an unforeseen consequence.

Interesting how many people want to derail this thread from the topic of the gross unfairness of allowing male athletes to compete in the protected female category. All the scientific evidence proves that this is unfair and that no amount of tinkering with hormones reduces the advantage a male athlete, who has undergone puberty , has over female athletes. That the Minister is calling Sports Associations out on their total disregard for female athletes ability to compete fairly and more importantly safely, is to be commended.

Why is supporting fairness for women stoking up cultural divisions? Is it fair that male athletes can compete in the female category when they have an unassailable advantage? Is it fair that girls/women are put at risk in contact sports, when competing against male competitors? Is it fair that girls/women are losing prizes,scholarships,professional contracts to male competitors?
Why is it stoking up cultural divisions to highlight these injustices?

Anyone would think that a thread about fairness in sports for women and Nadine Doris in particular is a bad thing. I wish she was my MP I’d definitely vote for her. She had a parliamentary brief and she is using it to defend women’s sports, and if the spin-off from that is more sunlight I’m all for it. If it was Cruella DeVille defending women’s sports I’d vote for her as well.

Hopefully this is the start of the push back to regain women’s spaces and rights and safety and voices and respect