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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pronouns are like so over!!

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/06/2022 07:22

If you can bear to wade through this long self absorbed naval gazing piece Meeeeee
the author concludes that now everyone is doing it, it no longer confers the super special status it once did on them so we should stop

he concludes “just call me by my name”

im completely shocked, shocked I tell you, that “misgendering” someone by using the wrong pronouns is actually not literal violence after all

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nepeta · 23/06/2022 19:40

I didn't like this article very much because unfortunately I've had too much experience with narcissists like Brock, and it gave me that horrible sensation like I'm walking on eggshells. They are such bullies.

Donald Trump is a rather good example of this. My experiences with narcissists is that they skip from best-friends-forever if you have been normally polite with them to you-are-demon-spawn if, say, you disagree with something they say at a meeting.

And then they never, ever forgive you. It doesn't matter if you apologize for something that actually wasn't even an insult; you will not be absolved, and what is called "narcissistic rage" will not end until some other target for it is found.

That's what I have often witnessed in Twitter cancellations, so it's possible that a good percentage of the holier-than-thou warriors are somewhat narcissistic. Abject apologies by the focus of the cancellation make no difference and do not stop the yelling.

And yes, dealing with one in real life is like walking on egg shells, and those will crush.

TheBiologyStupid · 23/06/2022 20:52

I like the way he/she/they reduce Judith Butler's Gender Trouble to "In other words, gender is a construct, yadda yadda yadda, and gender is a performance" - a big improvement on the original!

TheBiologyStupid · 23/06/2022 21:17

Which reminded me of those first days at work, when my new co-workers would ask for my pronouns before they asked where I was from, what school I went to, where I was living in New York, or what my ambitions were as a journalist.

Christopher, who presents as femme and used to work in a job where they had to deal with the public all day long, told me the bombardment of pronoun questions sometimes made them feel even more uncomfortable than a misgendering. “I go to work. I’m wearing a miniskirt. Everyone asks me for my pronouns. To me, what that means is ‘I see that you’re a man. And I see that you’re dressed in a woman’s costume. And I would like to know whether or not you want me to participate in the fantasy you’re having,’ ” they said. “I don’t think my answer should fundamentally change anything about how we’re interacting right now. And the fact that you’re so desperate to know is weird.

  • Yeah, well exactly whose fault is that?!
RinklyRomaine · 23/06/2022 21:23

IcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2022 18:15

Made me think of addiction, how the body gets used to the drug. So being called 'woman' doesn't bring the euphoria it one did, so go for 'female' to keep chasing that first high.

I'm speculating, I rarely try anything stronger than tea.

Dr Em has a piece somewhere about exactly this. I think. I can't find it since she lost her twitter account but it made so much sense. I'll look again.

Faffertea · 24/06/2022 08:34

Huh

Spending your teenage and early twenties soaked in gender identity and queer theory leads to adolescent behaviour persisting beyond the age most people have grown out of it, a penchant for narcissistic navel gazing and a need to make other people think you’re special.

who’d a thought?

CaptainWarbeck · 24/06/2022 10:07

ThickCutSteakChips · 23/06/2022 17:35

Christ, how can one person go on and on for that long about bloody pronouns? I also think Brock wildly overestimates how much other People care for their pronouns - who gives a fuck?!

Do young people really say their pronouns to each other when meeting each other for the first time? Gaaaaaah!

Yep they do. As an academic, going round the student group inviting everyone to share their pronouns at the start of semester is a suggested ice breaker activity these days.

Lovelyricepudding · 24/06/2022 10:50

IcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2022 18:15

Made me think of addiction, how the body gets used to the drug. So being called 'woman' doesn't bring the euphoria it one did, so go for 'female' to keep chasing that first high.

I'm speculating, I rarely try anything stronger than tea.

There may be a bit of that but I think it is much more that by applying the term 'woman' to themselves they have rendered it meaningless so they are trying a word which still appears to have meaning. It is like chasing a mirage. .

JellySaurus · 24/06/2022 12:16

It is like chasing a mirage.

Absolutely.

MrsKypp · 30/06/2022 14:02

I've read that "ze" and "sie" are gender neutral pronouns that some people use to be gender neutral.

See for example uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/

Ok if you are monolingual English and oblivious to 2 of the languages spoken by our western European neighbours where both of those mean "she" i.e. 3rd person form referring to a female person aka woman or girl.

It's such a load of crap.

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