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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If men aren't to be considered to be women for the purpose of sport...

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Pluvia · 21/06/2022 13:35

If science has shown that men cannot be considered to be women for the purpose of sport, then for what purposes can they be considered to be women?

For the purpose of accessing women's lavatories and changing rooms? For the purpose of accessing women's prisons? For the purpose of getting a bed on a women-only NHS ward? For the purpose of accessing women-only and lesbian-only spaces?

Should women using women-only facilities not be consulted and asked if they wish to share their space with someone who, for sporting purposes at the very least, is male? If some people are deemed male for the purpose of sport, should not that definition of their sex carry over into other areas of life that are organised on the basis of sex?

Can you really be a man when it comes to competing in a swimming event but expect to be accepted as a woman when you want to go to the lesbian-only club night?

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JacquelinePot · 21/06/2022 21:54

Pluvia · 21/06/2022 13:49

I just tried asking the question of a friend who'd called in to drop something off. She's not involved in the debate, except to be up in arms about Emily Bridges because she (friend) is a competitive cyclist. I read out my post and she looked a bit blank and then said 'But why would any halfway decent sort of bloke want to go into a women's changing room or a lesbian-only night?'

Good men stay out so bad men stand out, to paraphrase someone I can't remember

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2022 22:13

Where are the Labour, SNP and Lib Dem MPs coming out to chant TWAW and declare this decision by Swimming's Governing Body as an outrage to human rights.

Or is the silence because they know whats popular with voters?

Fairislefandango · 21/06/2022 22:23

Well quite. The whole concept of men being able to be women in certain contexts but not others (or indeed to be women in any context) is manifestly ridiculous.

Doyoumind · 21/06/2022 22:35

All but the most vehement TWAW believers accept that males don't belong in female sport. It's proof that the majority who say TWAW don't really believe it, say it out of 'kindness', and haven't considered the wider implications. They rarely admit it but it's obvious the straight men who insist TWAW will also make an exception to that rule when it comes to who they want to share a bed with.

TheBiologyStupid · 21/06/2022 22:36

smithsinarazz · 21/06/2022 16:30

@JustWaking how very well put.

+1

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