Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to make it illegal to take kids to drag shows

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/06/07/marjorie-taylor-greene-child-drag-shows/

What’s with the pantomime love? @Hearach15 are you christopher biggins?

Most people used to like The Black & White Minstrels.

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Panto is not drag it never was.

Drag had a different cultural history and the dressing was more symbolic of breaking of social boundries around sexual behaviours.

Panto is a surviving element of English cultural, a theater tradition from when it was illegal for women to act on stage. At one point theater going itself was illegal not just because of the "immortality" but becase it allowed large groups (mainly young men) and discuss the political elements.
Males playing female was not about sexuality but about needing somone to be able to play the female roles most men grew a beard etc depending on the fashion.
And yea oldle women having babies was little bit if a career problem if you have to travel. Plus women who acted were treated as a special type of prostitute did not make it an attractive carer for women.
There are a various other reasons too eg. breaking social rules on stage were safer if the rule breaker was male.

MN stop reediting my posts please!

• becase it allowed large groups (mainly young men)^^ to gather and discuss the political elements.

• most men grew a beard etc depending on the fashion ^^ so young men were cast as women.

Panto is not drag it never was.

It's👏still👏womanface

Panto dames are not about degrading women, they are about reversals. If you don't like that then you don't like panto.

I would love to see the male roles also done as reverals as they used to be.

You're not listening to women, we find them degrading.

I don’t have an issue with drag provided sexualised versions of it aren’t shown to kids. I appreciate that others find it offensive but I don’t think we should ban everything people find offensive.

That's pretty presumptuous, where did you get the idea that you can speak for women as a whole!? Many women like panto, or even don't like it but don't think it is degrading to women, and I don't think they'd thank you for assuming you can use their voices to somehow bolster your own authority.

@Hearach15

The only sane voice on this thread.

Obviously, these women don’t know the real MTG and how abhorrent and appalling she truly is. And I cannot stress that enough.
There is absolutely nothing good about her. She’s a far-right QAnon anti-everything except pro-Trump, and that should tell you everything you need to know — about her and yourself if you support her.
Thanks, @Hearach15

There is a difference between support for cause or political aim and support for an individual or group who have the same politics.

The inability to distinguish between the two is becomming a distinct problem for democracy.

At least with drag/panto you can say it's art/performance and women don't really look like that.
With influencer culture with its fake boobs, orange tan, fillers, ott eyelashes etc, to me these women often look equally cartoonish and ridiculous. Their right to choose but this aesthetic is more problematic to me. Or the general pressure for women to always look young, put together and beautiful. I'm sure that causes more issues than clearly performative drag (presuming kids are Not being exposed to the sexual elements of it)

Yea its a Lord of Misrule tradition. Like the Wren Boys in Ireland on Stephen's Day . The day the lady of the Manor waited on the servants in England.
I wouldn't ban drag queen story time. Just don't have it in my public library thanks. It's a different thing to panto entirely.
Buttons doesn't claim to be a gay man. The Ugly Sisters are not complaining about the Cotton Ceiling.

Maybe I’m being thick, but if they wanted to promote LGBT life and relationships as kids, why not do so without the sexualised performances? Why not just have members of the LGBT community go into schools and talk about life. Why not have those members go into libraries and read books and do story time. Why does it always have to be drag? Are these people so bigoted that they think only drag artists can promote LGBT people?

How many women feeling degraded is acceptable to you @MangyInseam ?

FFS!

‘Maybe I’m being thick, but if they wanted to promote LGBT life and relationships as kids, why not do so without the sexualised performances? Why not just have members of the LGBT community go into schools and talk about life. Why not have those members go into libraries and read books and do story time. Why does it always have to be drag? Are these people so bigoted that they think only drag artists can promote LGBT people?’

Because it’s nothing to do with establishing equality or tolerance. It’s to do with power: demonstrating to the people in society they perceive as being homophobic or ‘queer phobic’ that they can do whatever they like.

Not when they started they weren’t

As solas said already

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I actually haven't been since I was a child but object to the Government controlling aspects of people's lives they have no business controlling.

It's this little thing called 'liberty'.

Panto and drag are siblings and neither should be banned 😀

Not the millions of women who tune into RuPaul's Drag Race every week.

"Why not just have members of the LGBT community go into schools and talk about life."

This happens and the same people object.

www.justlikeus.org/

“Are you Christopher Biggins?”

Have no idea who this is so I have no idea if this is a complement or insult
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There is a massive difference between Widow Twanky, or Hinge and Bracket, Dame Edna, and Les Dawson's female characters ... not really sexual beyond the lightest double-entendre, and we're not meant to believe they are anything other than men, that's the joke. They would have all used the men's loos even whilst in costume.

I am less happy with Kenny Everett's female characters - again we're not supposed believe they are real but the satire is much less pleasant and more sexual, more a men's view of women (a misogynists' view?) rather than a more general people's view.

Hinge and Bracket on the other hand satirize bickering and competitive elderly ladies - we can all recognize that this is generalization and also a version of something we've seen amongst some of our own elderly friends and relations. It is a more general view rather than a man's view.

I think a lot of parents let their kids see things at these shows that they would be uncomfortable taking their Grandma to. If it is not suitable for Gran it is not suitable for children. Years ago as a 16 year old I felt uncomfortable watching Kenny Everett with my Gran - that's how I know there's something not quite right. We need to trust our instincts.