UNISON passes policy Trans Equality - Louder and Prouder

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“Trans women are women, trans men are men, non binary identities are valid”

One angle of which is to pretend ... 'sex is real' whilst fearmongering and demonising trans people, especially trans women.

I admit it. I pretended that 'sex was real'. Please forgive me.

Also, as always, I'd request that you highlight some of this "far-right propaganda, fearmongering, and demonising trans women" you claim to have seen on this thread.

Lorna Slater made a similar claim that feminist groups are being funded by 'far right fundamentalist groups' but such a claim was found to be utterly baseless through a FOI to the Scottish Government. No retraction or apology has been made so far. It's a childish tactic by TRA/MRA/incels - repeat a claim, against all evidence, until those unable to exercise any sort of critical thinking take it as an absolute truth.

It's a bit like the TWAW mantra. Extremists can repeat it as often as they like in an attempt to brainwash impressionable people. Still doesn't make it true.

Do you not think people's concerns about single sex spaces are legitimate then?

Really?

Karen White? Laurel Hubbard? Lia Thomas?

Nothing to see here?

Unison quite rightly points out transphobia is used as a far-right recruitment tool via propaganda.

I've yet to be recruited to the far (or indeed, centre) right, so they can't be working very well.

I can't understand what you mean by "pretend transphobia and bigotry, is just ... 'sex is real'". Could you rephrase it so it makes sense, please @SunbowRainshine31 ? I definitely don't claim that 'transphobia is "sex is real"' - quite the opposite.

Oh I get it, sorry - you think we are pretending that sex is real.

I'll leave it at that, then, if that's your genuine belief and that there is no such thing as sex.

@SunbowRainshine31 Do you realise that we no longer have words to describe biological sex in humans?

Unison have been sucked in by the same lazy tropes about right wing funding etc.
You really don't have to look very hard to see that's probably quite accurate in a US context but not what's happening here.
I wish trade unions would just stick to doing their core business and responsibilities and take a step back from virtue signalling.

My Dad was a Shop Steward. He still believes that sex is real.

I wish they fought as hard for women as they do for trans women. We’d see less discrimination in the workplace if they did.

Another organisation being deliberately destroyed from within, to the detriment of the worker members who need them to do their job and represent their interests.

The motion also encouraged the negotiation of inclusive language in local government agreements and policies, urging branches to promote the fact sheet ‘why pronouns are important’ and ask employers to adopt a policy that allows all staff to have their pronouns on name badges, ID cards and email signatures.

Ms Prashar said: “You don’t have to be trans to fight for trans rights, you can be a trans ally. We have a new training programme on being a trans ally and are rolling it out across branches and regions.”

Fuck that

Why don't they get that not everything is supposed to be inclusive of everyone?

Why don't they get that a lot of us no longer want to be an "ally" of people who don't believe we should be allowed to have a word for ourselves, or any single sex spaces? Why would I be an ally of people who don't respect my identity, my rights or my boundaries?

“Gender traditionalists” believe that sex is real AND that men and women should have distinct social roles based on gender stereotypes.

Transphobic trolls like to harass and insult trans people, usually based on their appearance.

Neither group is GC, although some trans activists are desperate to persuade people that they are.

I mean, the people slagging me off are just displaying cognitive dissonance.

There is absolutely no doubt in fair minded people 'who' is pushing gender-critical ideology.

It is a far-right political target.

Maybe not 5 years ago, but it 100% is today.

There are people arguing that Matt Walsh understands what a woman is, more than the majority of women on every survey that supports trans rights.

And there are people on here reading this, that will throw their weight behind Matt Walsh, rather than women like Stella Creasy who is literally trying to make misogyny a hate-crime.

The fact that so many people on here fall into that, is because far-right radicalizing propaganda is what pushes Gender-critical agitators.

The fact that radicalized people push back against the idea they are radicalized, is neither here nor there, thats a feature, but when you are being told it from multiple sources and multiple feminist sources, it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

Unless you actually are a far-right political agitator, then maybe you havent been radicalized, you are part of the radicalization process.

It is beyond obvious all gender-critical groups contain both these elements within.

I think the cognitive dissonance is going on in your post which genuinely does not make any sense. I have actual, paid, feminist work to do otherwise I would take apart those statements one by one.

The fact that so many people on here fall into that, is because far-right radicalizing propaganda is what pushes Gender-critical agitators.

But let's just take this one. I think for myself. I have not been radicalised by far right propaganda. I have been radicalised by thirty-odd years of sex discrimination, being on the sharp end of it and knowing that it was down to my sex not my gender-assigned-at-birth because I think that gender is also a scam which keeps women in their place. Also the grammar is poor.

Don't be so silly, Sunbow.

Males exist.
Females exist.
Males differ physically from females.
Transwomen are male.

At which point does that become a 'far right argument'?

It is a far-right political target.

Maybe not 5 years ago, but it 100% is today.

Well, yes, obviously if the "left" are saying something so mind-bogglingly stupid, opposed by the majority of the population, then that will be a far-right political target. How could it not be?

Five years ago there wasn't enough consciousness of how stupid the "left" were being, but there's been enough of this going on that it is now a viable attack point.

We're past the point where someone pointing it out isn't going to sound crazy, because huge numbers of people have now seen those on the "left" defend men in women's sports and prisons and rape crisis centres.

We've been trying to get this in check in time to prevent a huge right-wing backlash, but we may be somewhat past that. We still need to try to land this thing in some sort of sane way though, so the "left" isn't out of power for a generation.

List all the mainstream feminist orgs that oppose trans inclusion that date from before same-sex marriage passed.

There's actually loads of them, and they all support trans inclusion.

The gender-critical movement formed because actual feminist orgs supprt trans inclusion.

Far-right, and conservative/misogynist groups not so much.

There is not a shred of evidence the majority of women or feminist orgs agree with gender-crtical nonsense.
The opposite is roundly true, and every time someone mentions feminism as an excuse to be transphobic or oppose inclusion, THAT, I'm afraid is cognitive dissonance.

Said like a true far-right person.

Mindblowingly bang on what a far-right agitator would say.

Thanks.

Forget left and right

Think right or wrong . Basic moral values

But let's just take this one. I think for myself. I have not been radicalised by far right propaganda. I have been radicalised by thirty-odd years of sex discrimination, being on the sharp end of it and knowing that it was down to my sex not my gender-assigned-at-birth because I think that gender is also a scam which keeps women in their place. Also the grammar is poor.

This.

And stop pretending that trans inclusive has to mean no single sex anything,

Anyone insisting that lesbians have to sleep with transwomen isn't being trans inclusive it's being morally bankrupt

I expect many people on the far right also believe in gravity.

Should we pretend we don't?

List all the mainstream feminist orgs that oppose trans inclusion that date from before same-sex marriage passed.
There's actually loads of them, and they all support trans inclusion.
The gender-critical movement formed because actual feminist orgs supprt trans inclusion.
Far-right, and conservative/misogynist groups not so much.

How is prioritising the feelings of biologically male people over the rights, safety and opportunities of biologically female people "actual feminism"?

How is redefining women as people who perform feminine stereotypes so that male people can be included "actual feminism"?

Those things seem like the actual opposite of feminism, to me.

And homophobic.

I was a unison member at my old org and had already written to them to explain why i won't be re-joining at my new org. There are alternative unions to join which is good, but i need to do some research on them.