Great news - another prominent comedian has come out as GC!

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Rob Schneider!

twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/1536502526484291591?t=-hptx_hLJS4YcyCdIOtvAQ&s=19

The best documentary of the decade… “What is a woman?”

No, we don’t have to agree on everything. But given his views on race, do you think his attitude to trans comes from (a) legitimate concern for the welfare of women and girls or (b) the fact that he’s a vicious bully?

we’re often (correctly) reminded on here that being GC is not the same thing as anti trans. But if you want to align with bigots, knock yourself out.

He’s been in quite a few successful films, hasn’t he?

OK, he’s not as successful as Ricky Gervais, but he’s doing pretty well.

Did you see his documentary about his time as a sex worker?

It’s worth searching out, it’s a good look at the trauma of a man having to have sex for money.

Good luck trying to point out racism in here, they're happy to be known for it.

Good luck trying to point out racism in here, they're happy to be known for it.

I wonder if it's more plausible that some posters have an agenda in making that and similar accusations? Accusations that have their grounding in their preferred framing rather than actual perspectives or statements made by those over whom they seek to cast those aspersions?🤔

It's a widely-held viewpoint on the 'Black mumsnetters' board. I presume you don't think poster there have an 'agenda'?

I'm not suggesting that posters on FWR are racist - I've not seen it myself - but I don't think it's cool simply to deflect the suggestion as the work of troublemakers. Perhaps a period of reflection on any subject other than trans women would do some posters on this board some good.

It's possible for it to be true that MN has a racism problem (I think it does) AND that sometimes people use racism accusations as an ad hominem attack for their own purposes.

One problem with that view is that people will sadly use an allegation of racism even where there is none in evidence. Much like transphobia, it’s become devalued through over-use, and through people trying to use it to deflect genuine criticism.

Yeah, it's a bit bizarre. A few quotes from other people saying he's a racist, and then he played some roles they think were not ok because they weren't up to the most right-now standads of the progressive left, which many people including many minority people find pretty silly.

The fact is that there are a lot of posters here who just don't support the way id politics frames anything, be it sex, gender, race, etc. So of course they don't interpret statements about these things in the same way. They don't support id pol of race for the very same reasons they don't support it on gender.

The problem is that for people who do support that framing, any other viewpoint is bigoted. So it seems like an easy gotcha to accuse people of that and it may resonate with those who support id pol.

Well that's handy

It’s neither handy nor not, just a statement of truth.

You need to do better than just claiming racism if someone doesn’t agree with you. No-one’s going to change how they act based on you calling them names.

You must be new, racism is a long running problem in FWR

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4531682-why-do-lots-of-black-women-still-feel-that-feminism-is-nit-for-them

But it's not an ad hominem, @MrsTerryPratchett . The point posters are making is that, if this guy has dodgy attitudes to other minorities, the long odds are he is not motivated by a concern for women and girls, but is simply 'anti trans'. My understanding is that this is a very different position from that which the more sensible posters here claim to hold?

Dwight Schrute is gender critical 😀

They just keep coming, letting that glorious sunlight flood in.

Dwight Schrute has decided he's not gender critical

My understanding is that this is a very different position from that which the more sensible posters here claim to hold?

'Claim to hold'? OK.

But you've given no serious evidence that he has a dodgy attitude. He's a member of a minority himself, married to a member of a minority. The kinds of films he was in, though they aren't my cup of tea, are ones that are watched and enjoyed my members of minority groups as much as by MC white people - in fact I suspect that MC white people aren't their most prominent demographic.

What you seem to be saying is very reminicint of "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black" which is to say, a view that says that people of certain races need to toe the political line or they don't count really count as members of that group - they are just Uncle Toms presumably. The common less obviously hypocritical approach ignores it when members of minorities take a certain viewpoint but accuses a white person who says exactly the same thing of being a racist.

A good rule of thumb is, if someone black or Asian said something, and you wouldn't call it out as racist, don't do it when a white person, or someone you think is "white adjacent," says it either. Make the argument that whatever it is is a problem, if you are right you should be able to do so effectively. If you have to resort to that kind of id politics level of reducing people to their racial group status there might be a problem with what you are trying to say.

On the surface, Deuce Bigalow American Gigalo seemed a very superficial film.

RS housesits for a very typically gorgeous 'prostidude' and decides to become a male escourt himself. He is, of course, small and weedy and not very attractive so his clients are the women the gorgeous escorts don't want.

And he does not have sex with them, but spends time with them making them feel special. It's a comedy, but it's sweet.

And I would suggest that anyone who does not know who he is or thinks he is racist or a misogynist based on a brief article should listen to the show he did with Joe Rogan. Not many in depth interviews with RS around because he is not that well known, but the JR show was a three hour deep dive and after listening I had a lot of respect and interest in RS and what he had to say.

And whilst I am extolling the virtues of Joe Rogan, listen to his interview with ex navy seal and trans women Kristen Beck. Fascinating.

Yet another of those you'd consign to the box labelled "deluded loons" showing that no matter how skewed your perspective you can still recognise the truth of biology.

Kind of isolates TRAs even more if even the most deluded cohorts if society disagree with them!

And whilst I am extolling the virtues of Joe Rogan

I often listen to Joe Rogan, as said above he has lots of interesting guests.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters is very good to and they're staunch supporters of women rights too (which is a bonus).

OP I thought you meant David Schneider for a minute.

Rob Schneider has had his own films, he's almost always in Adam Sandler movies, not everyone's cup of tea but I'd say prominent - perhaps more so in the US than here.

What data breech?!