Tragic thread from detransitioner

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Good God. Where were the medical ethics? Poor sod, how would you ever find peace with this? twitter.com/tullipr/status/1536422533230206976?s=21&t=uQXxEPdczk1h1eTnAs3Zyw

I’m not on Twitter but I’ve seen he’s asking for someone to translate his op notes. If anyone can reply to him this is my interpretation:

[something] reassignment

Cavity dissected - bleeding ++ Big veins no rectal my_
Bilat[eral] orchidectomy
Penile skin mobilised. Bleeding from veins
Bilat[eral] orchidectomy [definitely looks like it’s written twice]
Clitoris [something] glans.
urethral Reduction Meatoplasty
Penectomy
Vaginoplasty 5” [inches]
Labioplasty bleeding +

[Ins]tructions [most likely post op]

[something] pathway Hb [haemoglobin] in 2 hrs
Blood loss 1600ml Related [something]
Early intervention for Bleeding. Call me

It isn't medical negligence. It is willful mutilation.

There are limits to consent, even if the consent is informed consent given by a person with capacity, and there's some doubt about that in this case.

I wonder whether Tulip has sought legal advice?

I believe from previous tweets Tullip has sought legal advice.

And don't forget that this is the low-complication/easy version of this stuff, for males.

The female version is something else altogether, in terms of potential complications, and what can actually be achieved best-case. Fortunately there does seem to be more recognition that phalloplasty is not a generally-successful procedure, so is mercifully less common.

Maybe the mastectomies are at least preventing phalloplasties, by existing as an alternative, less-harmful ritual?

For anyone who can handle it, Glinner's latest - "A photograph every politician should be forced to see" has an example, showing the end result in frame with the leg wound made to achieve it. Can't bring myself to actually link it here.

Why does it seem impossible to class this as a mental health thing? It seems like everything has gone in the direction of affirming 'yes you are trans' in the same way as you might affirm to someone 'yes you are gay'. Like the two things have been conflated and denying someone's 'transness' is like denying someone's sexuality.

It's going to take some time until there's enough evidence of people changing their minds and proving that there's much more complexity to this. Seems so obvious though.

1600mls strikes me as a lot of blood lots from a planned procedure.

I thought that. I lost just over 1000 during a C-section and was told afterwards they'd almost needed to give me a transfusion. It sounds like an unexpected complication.

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Maybe the mastectomies are at least preventing phalloplasties, by existing as an alternative, less-harmful ritual?

You would hope, but my fear is that it's the opposite. That when mastectomy fails to relieve dysphoria as expected, phalloplasty is the next target. Similar to how the goal constantly shifts for someone with an eating disorder ("if I weigh X kg I'll be happy" where X = X-1), the experience of dysphoria could be similar - first binding, then blockers and hormones, then mastectomy and finally phalloplasty?

I'm speculating, but my personal experience with anxiety tells me that feeding the beast doesn't help in the long run.

Good, let's hope they found a law firm that haven't swallowed the stonewall koolaid.

@Helleofabore · "Apparently, some activists could not let Tulip's words stand and mass reported them."

I when first saw saw his tweets, I copy and pasted them into an email as I assumed they might be removed given what TRAs do. Do you know if pasting them here would be ok or would that be against MN and Twitter rules?

I think the whole thread has been archived @DontLikeCrumpets

Here's a link that JKR posted.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1536664379881660417?s=21

You would hope, but my fear is that it's the opposite. That when mastectomy fails to relieve dysphoria as expected, phalloplasty is the next target. Similar to how the goal constantly shifts for someone with an eating disorder ("if I weigh X kg I'll be happy" where X = X-1), the experience of dysphoria could be similar - first binding, then blockers and hormones, then mastectomy and finally phalloplasty?

This makes sense to me - at least for people who have a deep unhappiness with the self that they seek a resolution for. My trans-identifying relative definitely follows a pattern of increasing "transness", which appears to be an extension of a previous pattern of seeking diagnoses and identities over many years. With each new revelation/diagnosis/identity they announce they are happy and finally at peace with who they are etc. It lasts a year or so and then they take the next step further.

I once suggested to them that they might change their mind about something, and got a massive bollocking, how dare I suggest that, they knew themselves best and would not change their mind. Well, they didn't change it back, but they did change it from "they", to "he" and then to going on T. That of course is fine, as long as you are becoming more trans, you're discovering your true self.

Agree it's wilful mutilation. Loss of sexual function, loss of feeling, pain, loss of continence. My heart goes out to Tulip, my jaw literally dropped at:

Then theres the act of going to the toilet. It takes me about 10 minutes to empty my bladder, it's extremely slow, painful and because it dribbles no matter how much i relax, it will then just go all over that entire area, leaving me soaken.

So after cleaning myself up, I will find moments later that my underwear is wet - no matter how much I wiped, it slowly drips out for the best part of an hour.

I never knew at 35 I ran the risk like smelling like piss everywhere I went.

People stopped to look at the pretty rainbow and forgot about it.

If you listed all of the unpleasant/undesirable and even entirely expected effects any reasonable doctor would conclude that the risk would only be worthwhile if the alternative was almost certain death with no other treatment options. They wouldn't put a patient through these risks lightly if it weren't for the politics of gender.

And that's another thing. Why, why on earth do transactivists and gender ideologues want to suppress these accounts? You would think they would be up in arms about people who identify as trans going through so much suffering.

I used to post on this board a bit more.

I remember in the aftermath of the Keira Bell case, some of the TRA visitors were asked 'how do you propose to prevent cases like Keira?'. i.e. how do you ensure that everyone getting hormones and surgeries should be getting them without some sort of counselling or 'gatekeeping'?

None of them had an answer. None of them appeared to care about Keira, detransitioners in general or the need to distinguish between those who would actually benefit from surgery and those who just thought they would. The attitude was very much that it was Keira's own fault and that detransitioning was extremely rare.

Stories of detransitioners are treated with irritation. There's very little compassion for their suffering that I can see, and certainly no desire to unpick the different reasons why someone might identify as trans in the first place, which would ultimately reduce the number of detransitioners.

Ah thats so horrible to read, it’s barbaric.

EdgeOfACoin and from a transactivist POV, if you think that all these newly identified trans people need hormones and surgery, then surely you would want to keep the limited supply of those things for the “genuine” trans people. Even if they have no sympathy for detransitioners at all, you’d think they would see that making sure it’s the right course of action first would avoid non-trans people taking up resources.

it’s another inconsistency and logical fail that no one in medical authority seems to register. If you say you’re trans, you are and must be immediately believed and given what you want. Unless you’re not, you realise too late, and then you just weren’t really trans

Not only is it horrific, but he’s had to deal with awful human beings like Katy Montgomerie and India Willoughby claiming it’s not true. Vile people. And yes, I’m talking directly to you both, who hang around monitoring here. You disgust me.

Tullip is suing.

I'm suing.
Its Mt pleasure to introduce my barrister @ 7HSChambers and my solicitor @ JacksonLeesLaw who have accepted my case on a no win no fee basis.

Perhaps it will fail miserably, perhaps not.

But at least I can live peacefully knowing I at least took a shot at the giant that is the gender affirmation machine.

They bleed too.

twitter.com/TullipR/status/1539725518106509320

Good luck to him.

Can someone clarify, I don’t think he was puberty blocked was he?

I wish him well. This needs legally challenging often and hard; people who were sold this and experimented on and have been left with such a terrible mess in their lives as a result should absolutely have accountability and compensation from the professionals who so spectacularly failed them.

The medical profession needs to go back to their core principle Do No Harm. The less people who have healthy body parts removed and other body parta hopelessly mutilated the better. Not because there should be fewer trans people in the world, but because there has to be a better way to be trans than this. It is a really shitty outcome for most and trans people deserve better care.

Stonewall should be advocating for data collection, funding research to determine what a successful, healthy transition looks like mentally and physically, and how to differentiate between those who would benefit from transition and those who wont.

The only people benefiting from this are the for profit medical profession.

Great post Grabby.

A female detransitioner has posted details of her complaint to her surgical team accompanied by shocking pictures of her post mastectomy complications. She had a double mastectomy at age 19, last summer, and has since detransitioned.

I have worked in a breast surgery unit and have never seen anything like this. It's truly shocking. At a guess, my interpretation is she didn't have drains in, developed bilateral haematomas and these weren't diagnosed or treated over an extended period of time.

Compare to the lovely breast surgeons at my hospital - they are uncomplaining about the fact their biggest list is always on a Friday meaning every weekend is messed up. They lie awake worrying about their patients on Friday night and come in to see them on Saturday morning. Any sign of a haematoma and it is straight back to theatre asap.
I'm generalising obviously as every case is different but I believe the reason I have never seen anything like the photos posted by this unfortunate young woman is because our dedicated and caring team would never allow the situation to develop in this way.

I've not posted the photos as they are so awful but are all here on this twitter thread.

twitter.com/sorenaldaco/status/1539404813997309954?s=21