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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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Lockheart · 28/07/2022 18:19

EdwinaStar · 28/07/2022 17:58

There's footage of the protest at Henleaze Library event this morning which had to be cancelled for safety reasons

There is sometimes more than one per day. My friend was at one at Hillfields library in Bristol, not Henleaze. But I think they were both today?

Musomama1 · 28/07/2022 18:21

GoodJanetBadJanet · 28/07/2022 11:21

What is your point? Lily Savage never targeted her act to 0-5 year old children.
My point is that she was presenting on breakfast telly, on a family friendly breakfast show.
A main person on there.
At a time when lots of toddlers/kids are at home watching when their parents are

Was the Big Breakfast aimed for 0-5 year olds?

I'll answer these questions, Lily Savage never targeted toddlers, the Big Breakfast was not aimed at an early years audience even if kids happened to see them.

Big difference.

A Story Hour on the other hand, that's CBeebies, Jackanory territory, they are designed for early years. I've no issue with drag queens, but nothing will convince me they are age-appropriate for toddlers. That's not an unreasonable observation.

EdwinaStar · 28/07/2022 18:22

Lockheart · 28/07/2022 18:19

There is sometimes more than one per day. My friend was at one at Hillfields library in Bristol, not Henleaze. But I think they were both today?

Hillfields went ahead, but a woman was arrested.

ValancyRedfern · 28/07/2022 18:29

I'm so sorry for being lazy, but I've been searching through the thread for the picture of Aida with visible seemingly erect penis and I can't find it. Would someone mind reposting it? I want to attach to an email to my local library who are hosting this weekend. Thanks so much!

EdwinaStar · 28/07/2022 18:42

It's difficult to find out exactly what went on today, the Daily Mail says Henleaze was cancelled but Aida H Dee says it went ahead.

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OldCrone · 28/07/2022 19:44

ValancyRedfern · 28/07/2022 18:29

I'm so sorry for being lazy, but I've been searching through the thread for the picture of Aida with visible seemingly erect penis and I can't find it. Would someone mind reposting it? I want to attach to an email to my local library who are hosting this weekend. Thanks so much!

I posted it. I can't find that post now, but one of my posts has been deleted. Must be that one. It was posted on twitter by pink news here:
mobile.twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1540671598042042368?cxt=HHwWgMCizfqpyOEqAAAA

Try the archives if they've decided to delete it.

HirplesWithHaggis · 29/07/2022 00:22

ValancyRedfern · 28/07/2022 18:29

I'm so sorry for being lazy, but I've been searching through the thread for the picture of Aida with visible seemingly erect penis and I can't find it. Would someone mind reposting it? I want to attach to an email to my local library who are hosting this weekend. Thanks so much!

Hope this works...

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Ramblingnamechanger · 29/07/2022 00:28

Lots of shouty men there it seems. I am a lesbian and was around in the 70s and the only thing I can remember being at all similar is the way in which PIE tried to piggyback onto the gay liberation movement. I have never really thought drag queens were in any way progressive but certainly do not think that they are suitable childrens entertainment. What is the reason that so many try to assert their own needs on young children? And why the skintight figure hugging outfits? I really can’t imagine.

TullyApplebottom · 29/07/2022 07:46

i saw someone the other day describe it as « goading ». That seems right to me. Everyone has to be made to participate in this particular sexual quirk, and can’t voice their misgivings. And so called progressive parents with absolute shit for brains go along with it.

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 20:31

CW: nudity/drag queen walking about with a 3 year old

captioned 'children belong at drag shows!!!! children deserve to see fun & expression & freedom'

'fun' 'expression' and 'freedom' are looking a bit different from the panto.

twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 20:41

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 20:31

CW: nudity/drag queen walking about with a 3 year old

captioned 'children belong at drag shows!!!! children deserve to see fun & expression & freedom'

'fun' 'expression' and 'freedom' are looking a bit different from the panto.

twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816

This feels reminiscent of the parents who were more apprehensive of appearing to be anti-progressive and repressed than duly concerned for the wellbeing of their children and the appropriateness of what was being normalised for the very young.

The self-deception of these supposedly enlightened parents began when they tried to force an uninhibited relationship with sex on the children. In theory, their goal was to enable the children to act on their sexual needs. But because children are not spontaneously inclined to become sexually active in front of adults, they had to be stimulated to do so.

www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 21:29

Ah, thanks, that was a useful, if horrifying read.

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 06:44

It's hardly an erection! Surely he would have to 'strap' it to his body to avoid an obvious bulge as the dress is so skintight??

lovelyweathertoday · 30/07/2022 07:07

Antipasta · 28/07/2022 16:59

did the protestors stop it?

I've been following it on Bristol Live, it was across two locations and there was 30-40 black pampers at each, possibly the same ones who were the Standing For Women event - but of course it's hard to tell

I've just watched some of the video with these masked protesters. What are they thinking? Looking aggressive, hiding their identities and swearing/gestures doesn't convince me they have toddlers best interests in mind.

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 30/07/2022 08:58

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 06:44

It's hardly an erection! Surely he would have to 'strap' it to his body to avoid an obvious bulge as the dress is so skintight??

Most people who work with children would consider the implications of wearing an outfit so tight it reveals their genitals.

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 09:11

@DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers that's different to saying he has an erection though, I very much doubt the kids even noticed.

OldCrone · 30/07/2022 10:00

lollipoprainbow · 30/07/2022 09:11

@DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers that's different to saying he has an erection though, I very much doubt the kids even noticed.

Is his arousal only important if the children notice?

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 10:14

Are we all looking at the same image?

The one in a sequined pantsuit? With a visible penis line with even a bulbous end sitting against the stomach area?

ScreechingEchoChamber · 30/07/2022 11:06

As for strapping, when males strap their penises they go the other way, not up the stomach. As far as I know; I'm not going to google it.

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 13:26

Yeah, I have seen no evidence of any strapping attempt in any of the pics of that particular costume and there are quite a few different occasions it has been photographed and published now.

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 13:30

And wasn’t this person the one who published a version of a child’s cartoon (Dora, Arthur’s sister) with a vile orgy related alternative text on their social media?

Do the councils booking this act do ANY background checks?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/07/2022 13:46

Helleofabore · 30/07/2022 13:30

And wasn’t this person the one who published a version of a child’s cartoon (Dora, Arthur’s sister) with a vile orgy related alternative text on their social media?

Do the councils booking this act do ANY background checks?

Yes, you're right about the cartoon and, to answer the rhetorical question, the bookers involved either do no due diligence or, more worryingly, they don't care but the 'progressivism' of doing this trumps all other considerations.

See above piece about cultivating sexual liberation as an experiment in some kindergartens in Germany.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 30/07/2022 14:17

'Another kind of humorous insult that women take in good part is the drag artists’ grotesque guying of female foibles. Some of the transvestite acts are loving celebrations of the sexless trappings of femininity, and should be chiefly of value in pointing out how little femininity has to do with actual sex and how much to do with glamour-binding. Many more of them are maliciously conceived caricatures of female types ogling and apeing women’s blandishments and hypocrisy while vying with feminine charms.’'

G Greer, The Female Eunuch, 1970

TullyApplebottom · 30/07/2022 18:43

OldCrone · 30/07/2022 10:00

Is his arousal only important if the children notice?

Some people haven’t read their Nabokov, have they

MrGHardy · 30/07/2022 23:14

Clangyleg · 13/06/2022 10:49

Tried to complain in Leeds. And escalated, but received long wordy emails justifying it all on inclusivity grounds. And think it went ahead anyway but at a later date. If you have the name of the performer plus other sm stuff you can point the the inappropriateness .

What does this even mean?

"Inclusivity" - what is this? I have never been included in a library reading. In fact, most men would be looked at with suspicion if they tried to interact with children in a close manner.

What they surely mean is "normalise drag to the next generation".

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