Christina Ellingsen, WDI Norway, faces up to three years in prison for "hateful" tweets about a male lesbian

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Christina Ellingsen, a Norwegian representative of Women’s Declaration International (formerly the Women's Human Rights Campaign) is being investigated for allegedly "hateful" tweets about a male who identifies as a lesbian woman.

Ellingsen faces up to three years in prison.

www.womensdeclaration.com/en/news/

reduxx.info/norwegian-feminist-facing-up-to-three-year-prison-sentence-over-tweets/

This is the first thread that I've started, so advice and constructive criticism is very welcome!

In 2021, a Norwegian man was sentenced to 21 days in prison and a fine of 15,000NRK after being found guilty of “insulting” and “misgendering” a trans-identified male on Facebook

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Ellingsen faces up to three years in prison.

I'd say Norwegian judges still know who is a woman.

But that's that's endgame isn't it - no one can speak up against the wholesale dismantling of child safeguarding and women's rights - and then they are gone.

I have tried to draft several mails in response to this thread.

I can't, I'll be deleted.

However this is not successfully making me any less angry or determined, because this is wrong. This is very, very wrong.

Legal systems generally work in men's favour, and even when those men claim to be women, the law continues to favour them.
Poor woman. I hope she doesn't get prison time.

it looks as if these are the tweets in question. Very concerning if this is what triggers a police investigation

“Why [does] FRI teach young people that males can be lesbians? Isn’t that conversion therapy?”

Jentoft, who is male and an advisor in FRI, presents himself as a lesbian – that’s how bonkers the organization which supposedly works to protect young lesbians’ interests is. How does it help young lesbians when males claim to be lesbian, too?

and as for this:

Ellingsen was recently accused by Amnesty International Norway of harassing Jentoft after telling him on national television that he was male.

always nice to get confirmation that I was correct to cancel my membership of Amnesty

Whichever way this goes, it will be a significant test. If she is sent to prison, I should imagine there will be other women angry enough to follow her. The laws in Norway, assuming they are applied zealously, are now sufficiently extreme that they are calling out for civil disobedience.

As the suffragettes knew; being imprisoned while appalling for them, did a huge amount to win their cause. The optics were very publicly awful for the authorities involved, and far too many people started asking serious questions about what was happening, why and the justice of it all.

which is why in the UK we currently are starting to hear complaints about uterus bearing cervixy kind of things are 'weaponising' justice and courts in a very unfair way to help them stand up for their rights. And it's damned inconvenient, with awful optics and it's leading to people saying things like 'bodies don't have a sex' and 'homosexuality is apartheid'. And everyone gets very interested in a most unhelpful way.

Bloody cervixy things wanting rights and access to legal justice instead of just obeying their betters.....

No one gets fined for "insults and misgendering", no one goes to jail for saying "biology is real". Here in Norway we have laws against hate-speech, and common insults aren't remotely within the realm of that law. Ellingsen is in fact extremely rude as a person(I'm not trans, she still wrote very rude things to me. She's just not a nice person to anyone, period. I tried talking to her like a normal adult and her responses were just straight to high school bully rhetoric, just ridiculous if I'm being honest). I don't know the precise tweets she's being investigated for, but judging from my interactions with her, I can say I'm not surprised someone actually filed a formal complaint against her. She'll target certain individuals and write sickening things to them. I've thought to myself this lady is going to get herself reported with that potty mouth. And here she is trying to downplay it. I'm like, at LEAST own up to the extent of the hate in what you've written. Lol. Its bizarre, because there's so many of us Norwegians on Twitter that have seen what she's written in real time and yet she's up in every anti-trans site that'll have her acting like we literally didn't read her tweets and know full and we'll how much hate she's able to cook up against specific individuals in the trans community. (Again, I'm not talking about misgendering and insults, it's far worse)
I hope you don't take this woman's word for it in this case. She's a laughing stock here in Norway because of this. She's fallen way down the rabbit hole and it sadly shows. And sadly her words have real consequences not only for her but for the people she's targeting too. Because her targets are actual real breathing human beings first and foremost. Please don't forget that, because she clearly has!

Poor her

Please can you provide evidence and proof of your claims, so that we can see for ourselves and make up our own minds?

Thanks.

Sorry, that was to Lenalen.

@Lenalen If the information on this thread is wrong, can you please correct it? What are the exact allegations against Ellingsen? Do you disagree with this news report? It also mentions that someone else in Norway has previously been sent to prison for a few weeks for misgendering and insults on social media.
abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/norwegian-feminist-questioned-by-police-for-saying-men-cant-be-lesbians

I’m eager to see this evidence too. And interested in the idea that being rude to people is actually illegal, as opposed to just one of those irritating side effects of free speech.

And interested in the idea that being rude to people is actually illegal

Only certain people. Ellingsen couldn't get anyone sent to prison for being rude to her.

The whole thing is fucked up, but the asymmetry takes it to another level, making the whole thing a travesty.

@Lenalen you wrote "I'm not talking about misgendering and insults, it's far worse"

Oh dear, that sounds dreadful. Can you please show us those tweets that were worse than insulting? Did they contain rape and death threats? Or a wish that you would die in a grease fire? Do back up your accusations with evidence, because otherwise we're going to be suspicious of your motives.

The man who was sent to prison misgendered and used insults. There were no threats or attempts to stir up hatred. He was certainly rude, but it was in the context of a row on Facebook and I would have been very interested to see the posts of the person he was responding to to see whether they were actually equally unpleasant to each other. What he said is given in this article, with translations.

4w.pub/man-convicted-for-misgendering-trans-identified-male/

This will be happening in Scotland soon. Except that people can be imprisoned for up to 7 years, rather than 3.

Being rude is not illegal I never said that haha.
You talk about "evidence" as if this is a trial right here right now. I want you to understand that this lady has tweeted NON STOP at all times of day since my interactions with her and going through her tweets to find that interaction is honestly more work than what I am willing to put in for strangers online. You can read her interactions with others just in the past days(it's a lot,this lady doesn't seem to have anything else going on in her life) and determine for yourself. What she writes in English differs in tone from what she writes in Norwegian so you might want to hit that translation add-on. All I'm saying is do you really want to showcase this person as an advocate for your case? I'd think you'd want someone who is not actually under investigation for hate-speech (I really wish you understood the actual meaning that has, Norwegian law is VERY narrow on this and if a report gets this far it means it's not "just misgendering or insults", that's all, most reported cases never get beyond that point).

I wasn't paid by the patriarchy to say this lol. I'm just really tired that she's paraded around like some suffagrette saint when she's actually a shitty person in general and she's found some sick pleasure in spending all her free time, seemingly, targeting transpeople and gay men. The real suffagrettes did women's right better is all I'm saying.

Fgs... if you're making a claim the onus is on you to demonstrate that what you're claiming has some basis in fact. If you cannot or will not then people will just conclude you are making shit up.

The article says "In one of her tweets, Ellingsen asked: “Why [does] FRI teach young people that males can be lesbians? Isn’t that conversion therapy?”
Ellingsen has also been accused by Amnesty International Norway of harassing Jentoft for telling him that he is male and that men cannot be mothers."

So now you can go to prison for saying that males can't be lesbians and men cannot be mothers? It's sinister and Orwellian.

@Lenalen · Today 00:09
Being rude is not illegal I never said that haha.

You talk about "evidence" as if this is a trial right here right now. I want you to understand that this lady has tweeted NON STOP at all times of day since my interactions with her and going through her tweets to find that interaction is honestly more work than what I am willing to put in for strangers online

Lenalen, it is work but generally on this board people do try to show evidence for their statements.

If Ellingsen did say those things (and other alleged to things to @Lenalen) then I still don't understand. She said some hurty words and things that Norwegian people didn't agree with and she's being imprisoned? Yikes.

I object to the State policing my opinions and words. Honestly, Western Europe is going backwards. To paraphrase Agent Coulson in Marvel, this is not women's first rodeo. I hope the WDI cause a lot more trouble for Norway. They should create merry hell! It's an appalling state of affairs (and the same is coming to Scotland very soon).

Frankly it doesn't matter if it was hateful. If people are going to prison for saying things people think are wrong we are in a very bad place.

I posted about the other case which had already been tried @Lenalen

Can you show me which part of his tweets were more than “being rude” “misgendering” or “insults”.

Because I can’t see anything outside of those categories. Yes, the tone is very rude and unpleasant, but it doesn’t remotely stray into threats or stirring up hatred (which implies encouraging others).

That you find Ellingsen unpleasant is irrelevant. Unless she is using criminal hate speech in its traditional sense, which would have to include threats or stirring other people towards violence. The definition of hate speech, like so many other things, has been changed so that it is now too broad and people can indeed be prosecuted for mere insults, if those insults are made against certain protected groups.

I suspect it means that two men can be slinging insults on Facebook and the first man can have the second man prosecuted because the first man claims he’s a woman. And if I’m right, that’s a very dangerous path to head down.

If Norwegian law is as narrow as you say, can you explain it please, and explain how this man broke it?