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Christina Ellingsen, WDI Norway, faces up to three years in prison for "hateful" tweets about a male lesbian

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TheBiologyStupid · 06/06/2022 16:04

Christina Ellingsen, a Norwegian representative of Women’s Declaration International (formerly the Women's Human Rights Campaign) is being investigated for allegedly "hateful" tweets about a male who identifies as a lesbian woman.

Ellingsen faces up to three years in prison.

www.womensdeclaration.com/en/news/

reduxx.info/norwegian-feminist-facing-up-to-three-year-prison-sentence-over-tweets/

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DaSilvaP · 03/10/2022 10:55

Lenalen · 07/06/2022 18:03

No one gets fined for "insults and misgendering", no one goes to jail for saying "biology is real". Here in Norway we have laws against hate-speech, and common insults aren't remotely within the realm of that law. Ellingsen is in fact extremely rude as a person(I'm not trans, she still wrote very rude things to me. She's just not a nice person to anyone, period. I tried talking to her like a normal adult and her responses were just straight to high school bully rhetoric, just ridiculous if I'm being honest). I don't know the precise tweets she's being investigated for, but judging from my interactions with her, I can say I'm not surprised someone actually filed a formal complaint against her. She'll target certain individuals and write sickening things to them. I've thought to myself this lady is going to get herself reported with that potty mouth. And here she is trying to downplay it. I'm like, at LEAST own up to the extent of the hate in what you've written. Lol. Its bizarre, because there's so many of us Norwegians on Twitter that have seen what she's written in real time and yet she's up in every anti-trans site that'll have her acting like we literally didn't read her tweets and know full and we'll how much hate she's able to cook up against specific individuals in the trans community. (Again, I'm not talking about misgendering and insults, it's far worse)
I hope you don't take this woman's word for it in this case. She's a laughing stock here in Norway because of this. She's fallen way down the rabbit hole and it sadly shows. And sadly her words have real consequences not only for her but for the people she's targeting too. Because her targets are actual real breathing human beings first and foremost. Please don't forget that, because she clearly has!

I hope you don't take this woman's word for it in this case. She's a laughing stock here in Norway because of this. She's fallen way down the rabbit hole and it sadly shows. And sadly her words have real consequences not only for her but for the people she's targeting too. Because her targets are actual real breathing human beings first and foremost. Please don't forget that, because she clearly has!

So... "being a laughing stock" is an imprisonable offence now?

She happens to be a thinking real breathing human being.

Please don't forget that. Because you clearly have.

Unless being guilty of wrongthink trumps everything else?

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 03/10/2022 11:25

She was interviewed on ‘The mess we’re in’ (a third the way in) and she said it was a man who is the equivalent of the head of Stonewall in Norway who reported her for campaigning against the hate crime law and for saying amen cannot be a lesbian.

She seems very brave and willing to fight the legislation.

SeagullSausage · 03/10/2022 11:34

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 06/06/2022 16:59

it looks as if these are the tweets in question. Very concerning if this is what triggers a police investigation

“Why [does] FRI teach young people that males can be lesbians? Isn’t that conversion therapy?”

Jentoft, who is male and an advisor in FRI, presents himself as a lesbian – that’s how bonkers the organization which supposedly works to protect young lesbians’ interests is. How does it help young lesbians when males claim to be lesbian, too?

and as for this:

Ellingsen was recently accused by Amnesty International Norway of harassing Jentoft after telling him on national television that he was male.

always nice to get confirmation that I was correct to cancel my membership of Amnesty

I was interested to see the lead of Amnesty on Scotland retweeting Pink News/Ben Cohen and criticising the BBC and other news outlets who had reported on the unfolding Mermaids scandal....

I too ended my decades-long Amnesty membership last year and seeing this made me feel v glad I am not paying the salary of such entrenched and misguided individuals.

JanieAllen · 03/10/2022 11:41

does some one have a link to the legal fund for her?

JanieAllen · 03/10/2022 11:41

BTW telling men that they aren't women isn't rude its facts

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/10/2022 11:41

I want you to understand that this lady has tweeted NON STOP at all times of day since my interactions with her and going through her tweets to find that interaction is honestly more work than what I am willing to put in for strangers online.

Who cares? It has zero to do with whether what she said should be criminal.

Lovelyricepudding · 03/10/2022 14:20

she's up in every anti-trans site

That would be pro-women rights sites wouldn't it? You give yourself away.

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 04/10/2022 06:28

I know that this is an old thread.. but @Lenalen , very happy to translate this horrible Norwegian tweets if you link to them. I think it is very important that we provide evidence for any allegations we make.

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2022 09:36

'potty mouth' is justification for jailing someone in Norway now? Oh, fuck.

poorbuthappy · 04/10/2022 09:40

Why are people so surprised when we ask for evidence?

TheKeatingFive · 04/10/2022 09:47

So what are these tweets then?

beastlyslumber · 04/10/2022 09:55

Just reading this and the Caroline Farrow thread. This seems to be an ongoing TRA tactic to have women locked up for thoughtcrime.

They are fucking fascists.

catandcoffee · 04/10/2022 10:04

JanieAllen · 03/10/2022 11:41

BTW telling men that they aren't women isn't rude its facts

Well you'd think so wouldn't you.

All those horrible Women upsetting men with the truth.
🙄

TheBiologyStupid · 04/10/2022 10:22

catandcoffee · 04/10/2022 10:04

Well you'd think so wouldn't you.

All those horrible Women upsetting men with the truth.
🙄

Great cartoon strip: substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb3b052b3-72ec-4072-b65d-7d7a7404b3e6_2494x836.png

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RoyalCorgi · 04/10/2022 10:40

beastlyslumber · 04/10/2022 09:55

Just reading this and the Caroline Farrow thread. This seems to be an ongoing TRA tactic to have women locked up for thoughtcrime.

They are fucking fascists.

They are indeed. Sending your political opponents to jail on a flimsy pretext is one of the hallmarks of fascism.

Let's not forget that Kate Scottow was successfully prosecuted for allegedly malicious tweets, though the conviction was overturned on appeal. We have a long hard fight ahead of us.

Abhannmor · 04/10/2022 11:34

beastlyslumber · 04/10/2022 09:55

Just reading this and the Caroline Farrow thread. This seems to be an ongoing TRA tactic to have women locked up for thoughtcrime.

They are fucking fascists.

As Woody Guthrie sang - ' all you fascists are bound to lose'.

Any crowd funder for Christina ?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/10/2022 14:13

Let's not forget that Kate Scottow was successfully prosecuted for allegedly malicious tweets, though the conviction was overturned on appeal.

The fact that the appeal court overturned that should mean that the police shouldn't waste time persecuting people for wrongthink. It's not illegal to be rude or insult people.

turbonerd · 04/10/2022 23:22

Jentoft is a real danger to society. He says he is a woman because that is what he thinks in his head. And that is the only definition of what a woman is: anyone who thinks or feel that they are women.
Not sure if he means that to think and to feel is the same thing.

He is one of the staff who runs Fri, which is the equivalent to both Stonewall and Mermaids. They are well dodgy and creepy, and embedded in Pride Oslo amongst others.
They also advice schools.
Jentoft says he is a lesbian, and that he is the/a mother of the child he fathered when he was around 20 yrs.

Maybe Ellingsen is unpleasant, but she has not said anything factually incorrect.

People who support FRI have told me in FB-discussions that people actually do physically change sex just on accord of how they think about themselves in their own heads. It is a feeling and it frees their true sex from its prison in the wrong body, apparently.

turbonerd · 04/10/2022 23:25

www.feministcurrent.com/2022/07/22/christina-ellingsen-is-facing-prison-time-for-saying-that-men-cant-be-women/

here’s a link to the case (English).
I’m not on Twitter but will see what I can find

turbonerd · 04/10/2022 23:41

Sorry, wall of text from subjekt.no coming here. The tweets are highlighted (I hope)

*Politianmeldelsen handler derimot om flere og mer personrettede kommentarer enn som så. Subjekt har avdekket hvilke ytringer det gjelder, og kan forstå hvorfor flere mistenker ytringene for å være hatefulle. Dette fordi at ytringene retter seg mot en bestemt person, Christine Marie Jentoft, og personens kjønnsidentitet.

«Jentoft er hankjønn og rådgiver i foreningen Fri og presenterer seg som lesbisk. Så høl i huet er den organisasjonen som liksom skal ivareta lesbiskes interesse», skriver blant annet Christina Ellingsen om transkvinnen som har politianmeldt henne.

Dette må Jentoft, som tross alt aktivt deltar i samfunnsdebatten, bare tåle.

Men Ellingsen skriver også dette:

«Herregud, mann. Er du sikker på at du var compos mentis da du ga informert samtykke til de medisinske eksperimentene du har deltatt i? Virker som om du har litt vanskeligheter med å ta inn informasjon. Hvis du trodde det var mulig å bytte kjønn kan du ha rett på erstatning.»

Og dette:

«Det virker som om du kan ha krav på millioner i pasientskadeerstatning».

Og dette:

«Ha ha ha – du trur ikke selv du er kvinne, du er heldigvis såpass smart at du vet folk snakker deg etter munnen. Du er like mye mann som andre menn».

Les også: Jurist mener Ellingsens ytringer er langt innenfor ytringsfriheten

Burde ikke være ulovlig

Ytringene alene fremstår som stygge og helt usaklige. De virker også å være i grenseland for hva som er lov å ytre.

Loven nevner spesifikt kjønnsidentitet. Således kan man si at transpersoner har særskilt beskyttelse i hatytringsparagrafen, og det finnes gode argumenter for dette. Transpersoner har blitt utsatt for hatkriminalitet, drap og fordømmelse over hele verden, og Subjekt er uenig med enkelte ytringsfrihetsforkjempere som mener at hatytringsparagrafen burde fjernes for ytringsfrihetens del. Det er nemlig fullt mulig å skille mellom kritikk og regelrett hat, slik det er fullt mulig å drive med religionskritikk uten å være islamofob. Og det er fullt mulig å diskutere transseksualitet, uten å gå til personangrep.

I alle fall juridisk*

I’ll try to translate the tweets:

  1. Jentoft is male and an advisor in the FRI society and presents himself as a lesbian. That’s how crazy an organisation which is supposed to look after lesbians’ interests is.
  2. Good god man! Are you sure you were compos mentis when you gave informed consent to the medical experiments you have participated in? Seems you have difficulties processing information. If you thought it was possible to change sex you may be eligible for an reimbursment.
  3. It seems you may be eligible for millions in patient damages.
  4. Ha ha ha - you don’t really think you are a woman yourself, you are luckily smart enough to know when people are just parroting what you are saying. You are just as much a man as other men.

maybe there are more tweets too, but these are what a quick search found. I guess her «Tone» is slightly ruder in Norwegian, but she doesn’t call him names or state anything that is untrue as such.

Fenlandia · 13/12/2022 13:49

Some better news from this morning - Christina is saying the case against her has been dropped, after 8 months!

twitter.com/_cellingsen/status/1602645237024919557

If you see this thread, Christina, I'm so relieved for you but sorry you've been put through hell by the process.

TheBiologyStupid · 13/12/2022 13:55

Fantastic news, thanks Fenlandia!

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/12/2022 15:08

Fantastic.

Thought they might drop it due the the backlash that would occur if they went through with actually putting a woman in prison for not pretending a man is a woman.

Just seen this on Twitter though. Another one.

Christina Ellingsen, WDI Norway, faces up to three years in prison for "hateful" tweets about a male lesbian
Christina Ellingsen, WDI Norway, faces up to three years in prison for "hateful" tweets about a male lesbian
WinterBlanket2022 · 13/12/2022 15:21

Amnesty International? Why am I not surprised. I cancelled my membership last year after being a loyal member for god knows how long.

We all know how difficult it is to get convictions for sexual violence. Yet a woman misgendering is facing 3 years?

Bestcatmum · 13/12/2022 15:31

What the heck is a male lesbian. It makes zero sense.