Northumbria University - Sarah Phillimore and Harry Miller 'seen as a 'safety and wellbeing' risk to an entire university.'

[ChristinaXYZ]

Open letter on Sarah Phillimore's website shows how deep the interference with debate and free speech goes at some universities.

sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/a-letter-to-northumbria-university

>That she has the intelligence and can appreciate that this tweet has the potential to endorse and encourage people with transphobic views, and she supports the tweet anyway?

I would just like to point out that your posts on this thread also have the potential to “endorse and encourage” people with “transphobic views” (e.g. by being anti-persuasive) and yet you “support” them anyway. Why do you do this? Could it possibly be that your accusations are so ridiculously loose and vague that they could be levelled at anyone who ever engages in any kind of public speech?

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Imagine being the relative or friend of a loved one who has lost their life in a transphobic hate crime, and then feeling a little bit relieved to see a police force honouring and remembering those who have lost their lives or experienced crime against them because of their trans status.... and then seeing that post from Fair Cop encouraging people to 'Say Yes to Hate'

Please stop with the emotional manipulation. As a debate device it has been over deployed.

Imagine being the relative or friend of a loved one who has lost their life in a transphobic hate crime

What a weird thing to get exercised about. There are zero of these people in the UK. Zero.

None of the dozen or so trans people who’ve ever been murdered in the UK were killed in hate crimes.

Now imagine being someone who has lost a female loved one (women murdered at the rate of 2 a week) and being so disheartened to see the time that the police force are wasting over ribbons and such like. But had no time to respond when someone is attacking them.. (not all police....)

So we have to ignore the women, and the girls, the lesbians, the gays; and the in your face woman-hating 'trans' police officers who literally stick a gun our way; just so that we can allow the police to virtue signal about how caring they are to a small population of people who are actually the least likely to be murdered in the UK?

There are more trans murderers than there are trans people murdered.

Imagine if there were more female murderers than females murdered.

They would be legistlating [even more than they are now] to remove all our rights. But here, they are flying multicoloured flags celebrating it.

Trans identifying males in the UK would appear to be more likely to murder someone than to be murdered.

We see all the time the ugly threats made by trans males on Twitter; this pretence that they are marginalized or threatened just isn’t tenable, and can’t be allowed to pass unchallenged.

Why, out of all the psychological issues that people experience are we being told to pander to this one, and accept such lies?

I think you're reaching a fair bit there.

If I attended a presentation that turned out to be racist and offensive as per your example, I would either leave, or challenge the presenter on their views. I would not blindly take one person's view and immediately start acting differently to people depending on their skin colour. If the presentation said 'all people with blue eyes are of low intelligence' I'm not going to think 'Oh well, despite evidence to the contrary, actually I must be stupid because that is another person's opinion'. So while I see the point you are trying to make, I think it's a bit of a stretch. Your phrase 'they are told to think that....xyz' is rather telling. To blindly do as you are told, to think what you are told to think without question is to make yourself very vulnerable to other people's will, don't you think?

People get their beliefs challenged all of the time. I don't think Sarah Phillimore was invited to whip up a frenzy of people to go and attack those with different views, do you?

That's fine for you to say for yourself, but have you no understanding or appreciation of how others may be influenced by expression of views?

You seem to have a very low opinion of the intellect of others, which, given your posts here, is strange.

Again, there is an amazing amount of non sequiturs in this thread.

GC feminists often seem to to tout their logic and reason, but on this thread can not respond with sound reason or logic to the point of whether that tweet is acceptable.

I don't really want to get off topic like everyone appears to want to do, but of course people are asserting a lot of misleading nonsense about rates of victimhood, so just to address that in passing; in the largest database that has ever been examined for crime against trans people (consisting of interviews with hundred of thousands of people), it was found that trans people are four times more likely to be victims of violent crime than non trans people.

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

suggestionsplease1 - You've posted that link based from the US on other threads, where its various deficiencies have been pointed out ad nauseam. The situation in the UK is not comparable.

GC feminists often seem to to tout their logic and reason, but on this thread can not respond with sound reason or logic to the point of whether that tweet is acceptable

The hate speech tweet?

Pridewashing by pretending to support inclusivity to get up the Stonewall index, by only focusing on one 'diverse group' [Trans] is hateful towards:
Lesbians [cotton ceiling - the workshop run by a Stonewall employee]
Women [can't even support IWD, everything has to be about transwomen not actual women, Stonewall wanting the word women removed from all documentation and legislation]
Gender non-conforming kids [giving kids Lupron which will hault the development of their genitals and results in sterilisation and often goes on to medical interventions which result in castration]

You cannot not understand this can you?

I can't recall anyone giving any credible critique against it actually.

I recall some people saying 'well that's the US and not the UK', as if there's some magical invisible longitude line over the Atlantic somewhere that transforms the experiences of trans people.

Here's some info from the UK, only twice as likely as non trans people to be victims of crime rather than four times! Lucky them eh?

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

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'That's fine for you to say for yourself, but have you no understanding or appreciation of how others may be influenced by expression of views?'

I would hope that at a university, the students would be able to apply some critical thinking and not just blindly follow a leader. And worry for those that can't think for themselves because they are open to exploitation.

I can't recall anyone giving any credible critique against it actually.

I recall some people saying 'well that's the US and not the UK', as if there's some magical invisible longitude line over the Atlantic somewhere that transforms the experiences of trans people.

My recollection is that 1) It's a press release 2) Patterns of crime differ greatly between the US and the UK 3) The UK has very different health and social security systems 4) The UK's legal system is very different and gender reassignment is a protected characteristic in the UK 5) As a result of the aforementioned, and other factors, there are very significant differences and experiences between identifying as transgender in the US and UK.

That's fine for you to say for yourself, but have you no understanding or appreciation of how others may be influenced by expression of views?

Are you seriously suggesting that universities in this country should NOT encourage debate, not encourage critical thinking, that before they enrol potential students should be told exactly what to think, which views they can express? Really? REALLY?

May I suggest you read up on regimes in N Korea, Afghanistan, China seeing as you're so supported of enforced group-think.

"I recall some people saying 'well that's the US and not the UK', as if there's some magical invisible longitude line over the Atlantic somewhere that transforms the experiences of trans people."

There are massive cultural, societal, ethnic, geographical, legal, religious, educational, etc etc etc differences between the UK and the US. Of course there will be different experiences for different groups of people between the two countries.

Unfortunately history shows that the power of persuasion and rhetoric to malign an outgroup has the potential to influence at every level of education.

Here's some info from the UK, only twice as likely as non trans people to be victims of crime rather than four times! Lucky them eh?

Do you have any actual crime stats to back that up? Fortunately for males who identify as women, in the UK their chances of being murdered is far less than the general population

What's a crime though? Inadvertently calling a TW 'he' is usually akin to violence no?

Indeed, crime statistics involving the transgender population of the UK are blurred by the huge number of self-reported "hate crimes" such as women displaying posters saying "Woman=Adult Human Female" etc. etc. ad infinitum.

Northumberland Uni. have backed down and apologised:

mobile.twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1534481109274312710

Anyway someone was explaining to GCs something about being maligned?

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considering a hate crime can be a sticker or a ribbon, posting that statistic is actually nonsense.

Do trans people experience crimes against them? Yes, of course they do. In this political climate and with the very low bar of recordinng ‘crime’, and that misgendering is considered abuse, can you say with confidence that trans people suffer crimes against them as a group more than other groups?

I do not have that confidence at all.

I am glad that you think trans people suffer more hate crime than other groups. Imagine if women were allowed to report ‘hate’ in the same way and be taken as seriously. It may well shut down the police forces in the magnitude.