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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

GATE research on 'Radical Anti-Gender Organizing' is finally out

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DeaconBoo · 05/06/2022 23:05

Changed name to what I was on the previous thread 18 months ago - I'd advise anyone to read to refresh your memory:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4066747-Were-about-to-be-investigated

This org was looking to hire someone to do research into "anti-gender organizing against trans people in the UK", specifying (a touch problematically) "indigenous" applicants among others.

The consultant will: Engage with GATE’s team on anti-gender organizing.
Produce an expert and accessible paper on radical anti-gender organizing against trans people in the UK.

The objectives: The main goal of this consultancy is to increase international awareness on current challenges posed by radical anti-gender movements to trans people’s human rights in the United Kingdom. Its objectives include:

Mapping radical anti-gender movements in the UK.

Identifying key radical anti-gender approaches to trans issues in the UK.

Analyzing the real and potential impact of radical anti-gender organizing on trans people’s human rights in the UK.

Identifying key entry points for international solidarity.

What they got - gate.ngo/anti-gender-mobilizing-global-and-regional-conversations/

Details of webinars with 68 and 26 participants, and five brief pages of text (possibly notes of what was said in the webinars?) about Eastern Europe, Africa, Latin America, and the Carribbean, and vague claims about what 'anti-gender' people have supposedly done, think and say, with zero sources cited.

Sentences such as "There's a human resource and a financial gap in different areas", which I can't read correctly, and "Counteracting these narratives with other imaginaries (creating memes) gives humans rights value."

(So, human rights only have value when memes are made about them. Got it.)

Maya Forstater's Twitter thread from when the request was advertised is also worth a read. twitter.com/MForstater/status/1322679833411944449?s=09

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unwashedanddazed · 05/06/2022 23:26

GATE has just two funders: Arcus and Open Society Foundation.

Conspiracy theory my arse.

Thelnebriati · 05/06/2022 23:40

I wonder if they feel they got their moneys worth.

DeaconBoo · 05/06/2022 23:49

I mean, just scanning it, I can't find anything specifically relating to the UK, despite this repeatedly being referenced in the objectives. Perhaps they're making a separate report? Perhaps they discovered, happily, that there is no impact on anyone's human rights in the UK?

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PermanentTemporary · 05/06/2022 23:51

I'm a bit thrown by that. Is that it? I'm quite shocked by analysis that refers to 'Africa' and 'The Caribbean' with no reference to any variation of culture, politics or experience in those areas. Did I miss any Asian voices there? Any reference, however brief, to Islam in its comments about religion?

More insidiously, its analysis suggests only that 'anti gender' organising is the active principle and the only side producing change. You'd also have trouble working out what any of the arguments in this field actually were.

DeaconBoo · 06/06/2022 00:02

Yes, I don't know if there's meant to be more anywhere?

I must correct my OP - I said there were zero sources cited. There are two studies mentioned in the first para of the background but no reference list that sets out what these are.

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TheBiologyStupid · 06/06/2022 00:58

What a weird and badly written report. I hope it didn't cost too much. Sweeping remarks about whole continents in a single paragraph (and no mention of Western Europe, let alone the UK), liberal usage of TERF, no real analysis at all, and all based on two very recent and poorly attended webinars. I'm really not sure what to make of it all.

BenCooperisaGod · 06/06/2022 07:57

Well, that is a tad, well, GCSE sociology level, if that.

Got me thinking tho, am i anti-gender? I dont think so. I am fiercely against the imposition of gender stereotypes. I absolutely think there remains a need for single sex spaces in certain circumstances.

But i am gender agnostic, or more precisely gender apathetic (although i will admit to a non binary involuntary eye roll that i am working on).

I don't have a gender identity. Happy for those that do to crack on, but if your gender identity is the most interesting thing about you, we are probably not going to be bessies.

What i absolutely object to is gender ideology be foisted on me. I work with people of many religions and none of them expect me to defer to their beliefs in anyway, i am simply expected not be offensive to their beliefs. However gender ideologists want me to add pronouns to my email, admit males into my spaces, change my own 'belief' structure to accommodate theirs. It is so much more intrusive than any other belief system.

Artichokeleaves · 06/06/2022 08:17

Again how sad it is to have to manufacture your own evidence on behalf of those who just don't ever actually do in fact what you spend a lot of time shouting and raving that they do.

This whole 'feelings create reality' thing just keeps running up against problems doesn't it? It's like it's never actually going to work.

SerotinaPickeler · 06/06/2022 08:47

BenCooperisaGod · 06/06/2022 07:57

Well, that is a tad, well, GCSE sociology level, if that.

Got me thinking tho, am i anti-gender? I dont think so. I am fiercely against the imposition of gender stereotypes. I absolutely think there remains a need for single sex spaces in certain circumstances.

But i am gender agnostic, or more precisely gender apathetic (although i will admit to a non binary involuntary eye roll that i am working on).

I don't have a gender identity. Happy for those that do to crack on, but if your gender identity is the most interesting thing about you, we are probably not going to be bessies.

What i absolutely object to is gender ideology be foisted on me. I work with people of many religions and none of them expect me to defer to their beliefs in anyway, i am simply expected not be offensive to their beliefs. However gender ideologists want me to add pronouns to my email, admit males into my spaces, change my own 'belief' structure to accommodate theirs. It is so much more intrusive than any other belief system.

That's very eloquently put Ben, says it perfectly for me, thanks. It almost feels like we're back with Allison & Maya & the support wren.

SerotinaPickeler · 06/06/2022 08:49

And the Gate report is very encouraging as there is nothing to report. One for the archives.

334bu · 06/06/2022 09:27

A series of statements with nothing to back them up. Did the webinairs give more detail and what happened to the rest of the World?

MagnoliaTaint · 06/06/2022 09:27

gender apathetic.

Now, that is a slogan I can get behind.

Imnobody4 · 06/06/2022 09:32

Bit of a damp squib though I have a suspicion that UK isn't mentioned because they're still working on it.

Thingybob · 06/06/2022 09:33

Five brief pages of text (possibly notes of what was said in the webinars?)

Yes that all the report is, the condensed opinions of the 8 or 9 people who spoke in the webinars.

For a 'global organisation' they don't seem to have much of a following on that channel.

DeaconBoo · 06/06/2022 23:32

Thanks for confirming, Thingybob , I couldn't be bothered to see what was on the webinars. So is this not the anticipated report? Yet they call it "GATE’s Report on anti-gender mobilizing".

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