I know not everyone likes Ricky Gervais but some of this I liked - Old fashioned women

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So the old fashioned women with wombs and vaginas - the dinosaurs . that made me laugh. variety.com/2022/tv/news/ricky-gervais-trans-jokes-netflix-special-supernature-1235275966/

But that’s what the trans activists have been calling GC women! That’s why it’s so funny. Why do you think so many women have a picture of a dinosaur next to their name on Twitter?

I didn't even know about the Lammy quote but I still found it funny because it's obviously ironic. He's not calling women dinosaurs for shock value. He's doing it because of the irony and the whole fake conversation he goes on to roleplay.

How does it magically become funny if you hear it said and not just written?
It's still the same "joke."

ummm intonation, sarcasm, stress on certain words, context, delivery…

Good on Ricky for defending another brilliant comedian cancelled by the woke mob, you've just reminded me to hunt out his latest special.

Thanks.

Janet doesn't need to watch stand up to appreciate it. She can just read the jokes at home and have a right old laugh.

It's funny.

When he recites phrases used by TRAs in all seriousness, the utter ridiculousness- and offensiveness- of what they say is highlighted.

For some reason, TRAs think they can accuse women of being 'bigoted, whore dinosaurs' for objecting to phrases like 'her penis'.
They think they can say things like that in all seriousness, and it is neither hilarious nor extremely offensive.

When Ricky says it, it's clearly both.

Surely you know that an enormous amount of information comes through vocal delivery. That's how words like 'wicked' and 'sick' came to mean 'great'. Through ironic vocal delivery. Don't you ever play with language? Say the opposite of what you mean in a tone of voice that implies the true meaning?

Also, are you saying @GoodJanetBadJanet that there's no place for comedy in this whole debate? Must we all be very serious about it? Or is just the type of comedy you object to? You're just like the TRAs who are claiming it to be transphobic.

IMHO I don't think RG is necessarily coming out as someone who is wholeheartedly in agreement with one side or another. He's shining a light on some of the more ridiculous arguments. But in another clip he talks about how he'll take one side or another in political debates to find the funniest jokes.

IMHO I don't think RG is necessarily coming out as someone who is wholeheartedly in agreement with one side or another.

I think he's definitely GC, he thanked Helen Joyce and Debbie Hayton for their support on twitter.

I watched the RG special because of hearing about it on MN. I decided to watch it on my own since my OH and I aren't on exactly the same page. He keeps saying we just can't know what is like to be trans and we need to be sympathetic and understanding. Absolutely. To a point. That segment posted above is so brilliantly scripted to emphasise the idiocy of how, unchecked, that position becomes. So I recounted it to my partner.

We often discuss the topic, ever since he came home from his woke work place a few years back excitedly saying "they're changing the definition of woman!" And I said "who are THEY?" and we had an argument. He's now got to the position of understanding trans rights are human rights AND women's rights, such as they are, have to be protected, but he's so grappling his way through the arguments.

What RG does brilliantly in this special is to follow that segment with a bit about men's biological health. It drives the point home. Anyway, I mentioned that bit about the old and new women to my OH and he said he wanted to watch it, so I've now seen it twice in the same number of days.

I think it's so intelligently irreverent and respectful, and I think it helped my OH to get the issue a bit better. It's an educative piece.

Good on Ricky for defending another brilliant comedian cancelled by the woke mob, you've just reminded me to hunt out his latest special.

Louie CK is a repugnant man with a history of sexually abusing women, he wasn't 'cancelled' for his comedy.

I loved it. Absolutely superb. Well done Ricky!

Wasn't Ricky Gervais always like this though? I feel as though he's seen where David Chapelle has got to with this and jumped on the band wagon.

You may know about comedy but you need to read up on satire - of course you won’t understand why this is funny if you don’t understand the concept of satire.

um - Louis CK wasn’t ‘cancelled by the woke mob’. He admitted to sexual misconduct after his tendency to get his dick out and masturbate in front of his female colleagues came to light.

Not only does the transcript above miss the knowing wink in RG’s eyes when he’s talking about dinosaurs - it also misses the long pauses when he’s waiting for the audience to stop pissing themselves laughing.

I’ve never watched a live show of his before, I laughed a lot at this.

IMHO I don't think RG is necessarily coming out as someone who is wholeheartedly in agreement with one side or another. He's shining a light on some of the more ridiculous arguments. But in another clip he talks about how he'll take one side or another in political debates to find the funniest jokes.

This is true and it makes me wonder. In their recent specials, Gervais and Chapelle know they have to take extra pains to 1) set out their stall, explain what jokes are and how they'll be telling them and 2) later break character to reiterate that of course they are not anti trans, human rights etc.

Yet those wanting to find offence will only accept one part of the act - the bit they they didn't like - as reflective of the performer's thoughts in real life.

(This also extends to JKR's measured caveats about supporting trans rights. They will not believe that, although they attribute the worst intentions to her thoughts on women's rights.)

Why is that, I don't wonder?

In Supernature Ricky says that he was cancelled and he's apologised but that's not enough for the woke mob.

It was fantastic to have these absurdities laid wide open with no punches pulled. Go Ricky!

In Supernature Ricky says that he was cancelled and he's apologised but that's not enough for the woke mob

im pretty positive that was a segue into talking about kevin hart

he mentioned louis ck and the fact he was masturbating but i didnt read it as louis apologised…he lead into kevin hart apologising and being cancelled as well

he did say that you couldn’t talk about Louis anymore as he had been cancelled

And i really think he had ‘a lot to say about Louis’ is a complete exaggeration

as far as I remember its just the once (I could obviously be wrong about that)

Ricky says he's cancelled, but it's not enough (for the woke mob) to apologise and move on.

That ‘brilliant comedian’ sexually assaults young female interns. Is that what you call woke? Not wanting a man in a position of power to sexually intimidate and assault you? How sad.

And as for ‘he apologised, isn’t that enough?’ Well no, it isn’t? Apologising because you’ve been caught is no apology at all and anyone who cares about women would appreciate that.