Manchester Evening News article

[Flaxmeadow]

Sorry if the title of this topic is vague but I'm not sure how to aproach it re site rules. Not sure what to say, only that I found it disturbing
'Ava'?
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/child-school-uniform-abducted-outside-23954584

That must have been very traumatic for that 12 year old. This incident needs to be well publicized.

'She', but the photo makes it clear. That poor child, groomed on-line with amine and talks about gender.

Can't see any comments. Probably just as well.

But it mentions "another gentleman"

I just get confused and feel like I am being lied to

So is "she" locked up in a women's prison?

So vile.

"Their early conversations mostly revolved around anime - a Japanese animation - and they also discussed gender identity, the court heard"

Seems like standard MO for modern day groomers.

Literal grooming, then. This is absolutely vile.

I was totally confused reading that article: When they used the word ‘she’ I had no idea who was being referenced. I had to read it several times. I presume David Jones is the abductor’s real name. What terrible journalism.

Another " women's " crime! At least tge newspaper had photos front and centre.

Ava? 🙄

Please tell me that poor child will/has not been made to refer to their abductor as " she"

Dreadful. So 'Ava' got 2 years - to be served where?

Very tricky to read as the child was 'they' & 'them' (may well be to conceal their sex for safety and not for NB purposes). And Jones was 'she'. But I noticed Jones misgendered Jones's self with 'there's another gentleman involved' - 'another' alerting us to the fact that there were 2 men, not one man and one woman. As to 'gentleman' - I hardly think that's the right word for a kidnapper.

was totally confused reading that article: When they used the word ‘she’ I had no idea who was being referenced. I had to read it several times. I presume David Jones is the abductor’s real name. What terrible journalism.

I thought the same. MEN is awful for this though.

"Their early conversations mostly revolved around anime - a Japanese animation - and they also discussed gender identity, the court heard"

This is my surprised face.

The problem is that the courts and police use the defendant’s chosen name, and the reporter isn’t allowed to change what’s been said in court or they lose their absolute privilege.
I think that article does a decent job of making the situation regarding the defendant’s sex and gender ID.
Horrific story though. Poor girl.

That said, I’d have reported that Ava Jones - previously known as David Jones but who went by the name Ava in court, or something. It’s a minefield

Two years for online grooming and child abduction?! That seems very brief!

This is barely readable due to the mangling of language and pronouns.

I have a 12 year old and this doesn't bear thinking about. It is terrifying. That poor child.

Did no one see what happened outside the station?

Two years seems so lenient for such a premeditated abduction with clear grooming and advice to desist prior.

And which prison does this person get to be in...

2 years - wtf. That girl will not even be an adult before they are back out again.

And why refer to perpetrator as a she? Surely not gendering would be far better in this case?

I can see a picture. I can tell that it's a male. Not everyone can. It's wrong to write the story as if its a female who's perpetrated this crime.

That article is so confusing. When they were saying They or Their or She etc..... I didn't know who was being referred to. Was it deliberate to use plurals or is that just modern English? I really couldn't have told you exactly what went on there.

Presumably that would be a quote from one of arresting officer. Something like "When I located the child, they were in the tent with the defendent seated there, I was informed that the other gentleman was to be found in the car ...... "

Police rang (whos phone, was it the childs?) during the drive and the child screamed but Jones put a hand over their (the child's) mouth and told gave officers that her the name was David Jones and that she was claimed to be camping in Ireland. Detectives tracked Jones' phone to Fferm Cedris Farm Campsite in Abergynolwyn, North Wales

I have some suspicions that a word count was more important than constructing a clear reporting narrative. (Or that the child was a boy and confusion is to lead the reader to think otherwise?)

Poor child to be lured by adults and betrayed by someone believed to be a friend then kidnapped. I hope that the family get the help needed to support the child and that the child can put what happened into a "good" context and grows to create a great life.

I thought the child was a girl? I thought most of the time the child was referred to as they but once I thought referred to as she? I also didn't get that Ava was a woman. I just thought wasn't it unusual for a man to be called Ava. There was only one mention late on of identity issues. I think I need to go back to school to understand modern English! Maybe a second cup of coffee will help.

Why aren't they allowed to report "David Jones who now identifies as Ava Jones"? Just why not?

It reminds me of that ridiculous article which had an sex criminal MTF on the run described as a "woman who may be disguised as a man" by the police.

Hugely disturbing.

Because of IPSO A580Hojas:

www.ipso.co.uk/what-we-do/member-publishers/guidance-for-journalists-and-editors/transgender-guidance/

Does the article include unnecessary information, such as irrelevant references to previous identities