'GC is a slur"

[SaraNera]

GC is a slur, we need to abandon it and call ourselves something that doesn't come off as critical and negative. I was thinking something like sex based rights SBR or pro womens rights PWR (PrO WomEs Rights = power = PoWeR).
Only issue is Maya getting GC specifically protected, so can it even be changed as GC has become tainted and not seen as progressive.
Something nice catchy and fresh.

I think there is a poor understanding of what a slur is. In this context a slur is* a derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people*

The term GC in itself is neither derogatory nor insulting

When we're talking to our kids do we need to label ourselves? I think they're savvy enough to apply whatever label they want to us. Even 'mother' has bad connotations now, if you're inclined to think that way.

It's not about the gender confused kids, who are overwhelmingly likely to be female. They're not going to rape anyone. Even the boys though I think are vulnerable and victims of this in the main.

I'm a good, compassionate person, I think. My kids know that about me even if they also think I'm GC, a TERF, transphobic, or whatever. I think that's why they struggle because if I'm the kind, loving mum they've known all their lives how can I also be a hateful bigot?

Incidentally, I'm still getting paragraphs. Apologies, if this is a block of text for others.

I’ve no problem with GC whatsoever. I am critical of gender, because it’s sexist bollocks.

Back in the Seventies being a Woman's Libber was used as a slur. A strident woman who went round in a boiler suit was the caricature. I think that's when Feminist took over. Gender really wasn't an issue then. It's taken over in the last few years.

I didn't know what GC was until recently, but it will do until a better term comes into use, or until this Gender nonsense stops.

Was talking to a young gay lad recently. He says he is a gay man with no gender expression. In his opinion gender is ' all that girls should be cute ,boys should be tough bollocks so why wouldn't I be critical of it'. Cheered me up no end.

Ps @IcakethereforeIam I must get someone to show me how to paragraph. It's embarrassing 😳

In your daughter's opinion, your beliefs are transphobic. That is her opinion, calling yourself something else isn't going to change that.

@Abhannmor I noticed when I used the return key the carriage return (my god, that dates me) was inserted after the cursor. So had to arrow right.

But only sometimes, is working as it should in this post. Are you seeing paragraphs in my posts?

@SaraNera

You could ask her to read this, if she has any Muslim friends she could see it from their viewpoint? From a stance of there being conflicting rights.

shonaghdillon.co.uk/muslim-women-focus-group/

They don't see the horrors of Karen, trying to explain her friends might be rapists doesn't sink in, she has known them for years

Sorry, what were you trying to explain? Because if it's what I read there, what you're explaining is not GC, and it is transphobic!

any male has the potential to be a rapist, that's one of the reasons for sex segregated areas, the reason you teach your children to be respectful of others (so they don't become rapists) and to do their best to keep themselves safe (to minimise the risk of being raped). The GC position is that it doesn't matter what the male believes themself to be, the risk factor derives from their sex.

What I don't understand is how the non-binary and the trans people end up allied.

Because surely being non-binary, not wanting to fit in with one gender or another is a) the complete opposite of big chunks of trans ideology, which requires secure and stereotypical genders in order to work, and b) is being bloody gender critical.

So you could try frying her brain with that. I've pointed out to my nb DD that I am effectively non-binary and skirt hating and have been all my life but also gender critical and that these two things are linked.

Yes your posts are fine!

Because surely being non-binary, not wanting to fit in with one gender or another is a) the complete opposite of big chunks of trans ideology, which requires secure and stereotypical genders in order to work, and b) is being bloody gender critical.

Theoretically, I guess. But in practice, from what I can gather, non-binary mostly just means 'I'm far too special and unique to just be a man, or a woman. Please let me under the trans umbrella!'.

@Fairislefandango I'm at the sharp end of this with a teenage daughter, and I think that for the girls in particular it offers an apparent way out of the patriarchy.

Puberty is even more brutal for girls than it used to be. You get told all the way through primary school that you can do anything you want, and then suddenly at 12 or 13 it's made very clear that your only worth is your value - or not - in the eyes of the boys, and that they are interested in looks, tits and not much more. Being non-binary is quite a good opt-out of the system and I kind of respect that.

Although in my day you only had to be a goth...

This adult male's attitude would concern me more than the views of an impressionable adolescent.

Anything can be used as a slur, its how its used and how its intended. TRA has been used as a slur, the other T word as a slur. 'Socialist' and 'Conservative '. Seen many use those same descriptors with pride. Its pretty obvious when someone is using a word in a derogatory manner, and there are few words so way out that there isn't a setting they can realistically be used in a non derogatory way. Gender critical feminist is an accurate descriptor of a feminist who doesn't believe or is skeptical of the idea of gender. There will always be people who object to that viewpoint whatever name you give it.

Surely you know by now that nothing but complete capitulation is acceptable to these people. If another name started being used, that would just become 'sullied' as well. I don't give a shit about being called 'transphobic' or 'GC' or even TERF now - everyone outside of twitter sees the batshittery anyway.

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer
> now some people use it as short hand for ‘obviously hates transpeople and does not want them to exist’

But you don't want trans people to exist. Expecting a trans woman to live as a "man" is expecting her to not be trans.

Wanting everyone to not be trans is wanting trans people to not exist.

Both have non-standard identities different from the ones imposed on them based on their sex, and both want these identities to be respected, and to be addressed the way they feel comfortable with.

I don't see any conflict here.

But you don't want trans people to exist. Expecting a trans woman to live as a "man" is expecting her to not be trans

dont be ‘youing’ me

youve no idea what my views are on this subject

Correct me if I'm wrong then. Do you believe trans women should be free to live in society as women, or forcefully categorized as men?

I don't know what I can write without bringing down the wrath of MN. But here goes, no one has to forcefully categorise anyone as anything. Mother nature did that, usually pretty clearly.

however, if anyone, male or female, wishes to dress or behave in a fashion that does not conform to sex stéréotypes, no reasonable person should have a problem with that. Except in areas where single sex spaces or services are important, then things have to be more nuanced. This can mean that people are excluded on the grounds of their actual sex.

@IcakethereforeIam
> But here goes, no one has to forcefully categorise anyone as anything. Mother nature did that, usually pretty clearly.

The point is, even if you believe that, why would those categories needs social or legal enforcement? Why would those need to be persistently named?

Even if I believe that

Well said.