I have a friend who is TWAW and "be kind". I am GC. We are both aware of the other's views from a couple of discussions and have sort of tacitly mutually decided to stay away from further debates on this topic. She reads her kids Harry Potter, so she isn't rabidly activist, but works for a charity that has been stonewalled and exists in a bit of an echo chamber in her day to day life (she would probably say the same about me in looking on mumsnet!). . However, my friend has voiced a quite profound dislike for GG a couple of times in passing on related/political topics, in a way that suggests that this is what "right thinking"'people should think. I don't want to press her on it, because I don't really want to enter into a debate or open a can of worms. She is a lovely person and I really value her friendship. Is GG despised by some because she is outspoken in being GC/terfy or for other reasons? Just quite helpful to know!!
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Why do people dislike Germaine Greer?
morescrummythanyummy · 12/05/2022 22:11
SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 17/05/2022 14:40
Wasn't her point then that rape is not the horrendoulsy violent obvious thing that is depcited on television but is often the 'mundane' act between two people who know, even love each other because of poor communication, lack of knowledge, fear of breaking uo a family?
I was with her for part of it, that as a society we do absolutely bugger all to persuade men that no means no, is not just 'playing difficult to get' etc and even les to persuade women that they can take real life action, from a kick in the bollocks to packing up and leaving immediately, breaking up a family to do so. .
Our usual discourse around rape is of helpless women and all powerful me; that women bear the shame of a 'broken' family and that should not be.
But then she sort of tainted it by blaming women for not acting, for expecting help. That was one of the many times I had to agree to disagree, or suspect that I had misunderstood, not seen a connection - or that she was simply pushing buttons harder that day than others.
She does seem to have lost patience with today's women - all the #MeToo movement did for her was entrench the poor helpless little woman trope. And she blames them, becuase blaming the men is fucking obvious!
unici5 · 17/05/2022 05:16
I don't know. I was in the audience at a panel discussion she was on several years back and she told a story about going away with a group of old friends and hearing one of them being very clearly raped by her husband (screaming and crying) in the night after they all went to bed. Her takeaway was that her friend seemed ok in the morning, so how bad could it have been?
It doesn't directly undo a long career, but it certainly left me disgusted.
AmaryllisNightAndDay · 17/05/2022 14:44
None of this really is a response to what I said, you've just picked out random sentences.
I usually highlight the points I'm arguing with, so you can see if I have misunderstood. As I misunderstood that your friend was raped by a woman. And when I said "male rape" I meant rape of men and with a penis. Society isn't too positive about that either. Often considers it worse than a man raping a woman in fact.
The rapist, btw, was a woman, which is the way the law is written where I live.
Ah that's my confusion. It's not that way here. As far as I know the law where I live wouldn't consider that rape at all. So we may be at cross purposes.
RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/05/2022 15:00
Maybe she meant that we need to repalce the prison sentence after a court case with a branding!
oh yes i deffo think that was her plan
RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/05/2022 15:15
No i agree with you samphire
its just a hard subject to discuss
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