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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Family Sex Show - 'Cancel Culture' - in the Guardian

119 replies

DomesticatedZombie · 10/05/2022 20:40

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/10/cancel-culture-rightwing-activists-family-sex-show

'... the world – especially the digital world – we live in means that we don’t have control over what we or our children see.'

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IvyTwines · 11/05/2022 11:52

It's high time The Guardian changed its name. 'The Whatever'?

YesSheCan · 11/05/2022 11:55

DomesticatedZombie · 10/05/2022 23:17

age appropriate

Not a phrase that I have seen this company use even once. As I understand it, anyone working with children, in ed, in sex ed, is completely and utterly conversant with this phrase. Because a 5 year old is not the same as an 8 year old is not hte same as a 12, 15 or 18 year old.

Idiots. Utter idiots.

School of Sexuality Education describe their RSE material as age-appropriate though. And they're the advisors for TFSS. They go into schools and talk to year 7s about masturbating camels and dolphins.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 11/05/2022 12:01

Whether you agree with the show’s aims or not, it has not yet been seen, publicly. Still, an online group thought it should not even be seen so it could be judged fairly.

They lie! It was performed live in Bath, to a specially invited audience, wasn't it? There is a thread here, or was until it was pulled becaue of the silliness it attracted.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 11/05/2022 12:02

2fallsfromSSA · 11/05/2022 09:31

We are on it.

Thanks. I was about to start looking for you, to give you a heads up Smile

YesSheCan · 11/05/2022 12:04

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 11/05/2022 12:01

Whether you agree with the show’s aims or not, it has not yet been seen, publicly. Still, an online group thought it should not even be seen so it could be judged fairly.

They lie! It was performed live in Bath, to a specially invited audience, wasn't it? There is a thread here, or was until it was pulled becaue of the silliness it attracted.

Yes @SamphirethePogoingStickerist there was the recent performance in Bath for the invited audience. And a work in progress performance at The Egg theatre in Bath in 2019 as part of the Incubator festival. With test audiences which included children, one quoted as saying 'it was brave how they took off all their clothes just to help us learn'

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 11/05/2022 12:18

I thought so. Hopefully all will be explained, in as big an opinion piece as that one!

FemaleAndLearning · 11/05/2022 12:29

Glad to hear Sage Schools Alliance are on this they thoughtful, objective and 100% care about and know about safeguarding.

IcakethereforeIam · 11/05/2022 12:46

Has anyone seen anything from anyone at the invited audience performance? Did they all sign a(n) NDI, I've seen nothing about it. Did it definitely happen?

theemperorhasnoclothes · 11/05/2022 12:51

YesSheCan · 11/05/2022 12:04

Yes @SamphirethePogoingStickerist there was the recent performance in Bath for the invited audience. And a work in progress performance at The Egg theatre in Bath in 2019 as part of the Incubator festival. With test audiences which included children, one quoted as saying 'it was brave how they took off all their clothes just to help us learn'

You've got to wonder whether that child was coached to say that or whether it was a freely given opinion. I find it an odd thing for a child to say that an adult taking their kit off was 'brave' and 'for them' unless they'd been told that.

YesSheCan · 11/05/2022 13:00

According to Josie, 'a show no one had watched'. Not true.

www.outspokeneducation.com/post/staging-the-conversation-the-family-sex-show

IcakethereforeIam · 11/05/2022 13:09

@YesSheCan thank you for the link.
'Brilliantly, someone rotates a sign'. I must remember the standing ovation next time I'm at roadworks. Bravo! Should be on the stage! Now, get your hi-vis off, but only so far as you are comfortable.Confused

DomesticatedZombie · 11/05/2022 17:22

YesSheCan · 11/05/2022 11:55

School of Sexuality Education describe their RSE material as age-appropriate though. And they're the advisors for TFSS. They go into schools and talk to year 7s about masturbating camels and dolphins.

I'm not sure what Year 7 is (I'm in Scotland), but from what I could see SSE were secondary only, they don't seem to work in primaries.

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MerryMarigold · 11/05/2022 17:31

I was about to start a thread on this. I thought it was so lazy and inevitable to 'blame' cancelling this show on far right Christian activists. I didn't know MN was a hot bed of Christian activism!

DisappearingGirl · 11/05/2022 17:34

The issue for me is that they are mixing up cancel culture and child safeguarding.

I'm not generally in favour of cancel culture. If this show was for adults I'd have no problem with it existing (even if I wouldn't personally choose to watch it).

Child safeguarding is a separate issue. This is clearly marketed for children and it's not appropriate for children.

DomesticatedZombie · 11/05/2022 17:56

DisappearingGirl · 11/05/2022 17:34

The issue for me is that they are mixing up cancel culture and child safeguarding.

I'm not generally in favour of cancel culture. If this show was for adults I'd have no problem with it existing (even if I wouldn't personally choose to watch it).

Child safeguarding is a separate issue. This is clearly marketed for children and it's not appropriate for children.

Yes, absolutely. It's either spectacularly dim, or quite sinister.

They seem to be operating on the principle that there is no such thing as 'age appropriate'.

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Artichokeleaves · 11/05/2022 17:58

Well they're trying to hide from uncomfortable facts about safeguarding and having made a serious mistake behind a shield of someone else's appropriated issue. In the hope that it deflects criticism.

If they'd listened, engaged, been responsible, I'd have had some respect for them but they've handled the raised concerns very, very badly which proves their problems around judgement and even being able to understand the problem.

WellThatsMeScrewed · 11/05/2022 18:01

Does The Guardian just not want anyone to buy their paper any longer?

WellThatsMeScrewed · 11/05/2022 18:02

Or only the ‘right’ people to but it

YesSheCan · 11/05/2022 19:41

Year 7 is first year of secondary school in England. So 11 year olds. They are approved for primary education, I think I've seen somewhere. And have done year 5 classes according to a tweet I saw (can't remember where)

YesSheCan · 11/05/2022 19:42

Sorry, that was meant to be a reply to @DomesticatedZombie

DomesticatedZombie · 11/05/2022 20:58

Thanks, YesSheCan!

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TeamSukhareva · 11/05/2022 21:35

Too funny. I just tried to go to the Outspoken Education link and the Patental Controls on my router blocked it. Because, you know, we have ways of controlling what our kids see, at least at home.

TheBiologyStupid · 11/05/2022 21:43

TeamSukhareva · 11/05/2022 21:35

Too funny. I just tried to go to the Outspoken Education link and the Patental Controls on my router blocked it. Because, you know, we have ways of controlling what our kids see, at least at home.

LOL! 😁

PrelateChuckles · 11/05/2022 21:52

TeamSukhareva · 11/05/2022 21:35

Too funny. I just tried to go to the Outspoken Education link and the Patental Controls on my router blocked it. Because, you know, we have ways of controlling what our kids see, at least at home.

ahahaha!

nepeta · 11/05/2022 23:30

Several people have speculated about the source of Guardian's income from readers and think that it might be their American readers which give them most revenue.

If that's correct, then the current US left views matter here and the US left is still asleep and trying to be kind. The political polarisation in there does not help things as now being gender critical is firmly seen as being right wing by most establishment lefties.

So the Guardian might change when the US left changes, if it ever does.