Indian surgeon plans to transplant a womb into a transwomen

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www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10796849/Indian-surgeon-plans-transplant-womb-TRANS-woman-pregnant-world-op.html

lost for words

So when it fails, and it will, will manslaughter be an option, I wonder?

Who in their right mind would subject a fetus to the drugs required for transplant recipients?
It is completely unethical.

Let's say someone did this - with the obvious (and horrifying) incentive for encouraging hysterectomies on transitioning 'FtM' young women - and it worked. It still wouldn't make the transwoman female.

All other arguments aside, how can that be possible?
Male bodies don't have the necessary plumbing.

I’ve got plenty but I won’t share them here.

This is what I cut and paste when the subject of womb "transplants" into tranwomen comes up:

This business of uterine "transplants" into men appears to be about science but it is not. It's about getting the idea out there that men can give birth too, but not just yet, there are a few technical details to be sorted out first. So while we're waiting for the inevitable, let's get on with the social sciences side of things and accept that since men can give birth too (not yet, but soon, soon, it's bound to happen), then there are no real differences between men and women in terms of things that are material and significant, they're just bodies with an interchangable set of parts. The actual differences are surface ones like the chosen forms of appearance.

It is about trying to change how people think by assuming a medical horror is a run-of-the-mill thing just round the corner. It's Overton Window stuff, not science.

'Male bodies don't have the necessary plumbing.'

I really don't know. But if you can operate so that a female body will accept a womb transplant, maybe you can operate so that a male body pumped with hormones can house a womb with a foetus inside, then do a c-section to remove the poor baby?

Poor baby

If 10 of us were to list our pregnancy symptoms and complications on here, we would probably cover every organ of the female body that was affected in some way by pregnancy.

How do the fuckwits involved think they have considered every single way in which a woman's body prepares and adapts to grow an entire new person.

A uterus is a tiny component of one of the most complex processes in the known universe, and there is absolutely no ethical way to attempt to allow a male body to carry a pregnancy.

You can absolutely carry a baby after having an organ transplant, my cousin had two successful pregnancies following her kidney transplant. I don’t agree with implanting wombs into men by any means, I find it deeply disturbing. However, I’ve seen it said a few times on various threads that there’s no way a baby could survive the anti rejection drugs taken by transplant recipients and that’s absolutely not true.

It's a monstrous idea. Hope they fail.

How is this even allowed? Surely it breaks every medical ethics code going?

My thoughts are fine, crack on - once you've made the science work come back to the world for an opinion on how different the male and female sex are

I am secure in the knowledge that the science won't work and this experimentation will die a death after the public outcry over the murder of babies

Philosophically (and separately, though somewhat interlinked) I think women are enslaved by childbirth and child rearing in the way we run our world today - but my solution to this is to educate them out of it by providing them the means to control their reproduction (as is currently working)

Pregnancy suppresses the immune response in a mother though - otherwise the body would reject the baby as a foreign object.
Begs the question of how would a womb/pregnancy in a man's body such as this would actually generate those necessary responses in the body? These are chemical responses to changes in hormones in the body from pregnancy. It doesn't always work smoothly in women's bodies.

Didn't Lili Elbe undergo a womb transplant?

I honestly think the surgeons who do this are just glory seekers, they don't care about their patients, they just want their own names to go down in history.

Uterus transplants www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4544110-uterus-transplants

Previous thread on this, may be of interest.

Totally agree! And from the article:

The way towards this is with a uterine transplant, the same as a kidney or any other transplant. This is the future. We cannot predict exactly when this will happen but it will happen very soon.'

The surgeon has not revealed the recipient or given a timetable for the surgery, but he added: 'We have our plans and we are very very optimistic about this.'

All very vague !

No doubt there will be someone along shortly to tell us that medical ethics is transphobic.

Personally I say rock on…if men can get a womb transplant and carry a baby to term then so much the better for us women. They can do 50% of pregnancies and all the shit that entails, they can experience periods too , they can also have their career progression blocked and salary reduced becuase they take maternity leave and then are seen as “not committed to their career” instead of women by default
I’m not precious..if men want to take this on and all the penalties we pay for being women that’s just dandy with me.

You can't. It's impossible.

Wow, I hope he remembers to leave a little gap in the stitching so the transwoman can experience the joy of pushing a cantaloupe out of a small orifice. Or is that not see as part of the overall experience?

poor baby, don’t know which has the bigger ego, the surgeon or the transwoman, it’s clear that the wellbeing of the child comes far down in the pecking order.

Also this is a clinic in India with horrific poverty and poor access to health care. How is this a priority? And who is paying for the experiment? Daily Mail say a uterus transplant costs £50,000! I expect there will be many extra costs involved in this experiment? Such a waste of money which could be better spent elsewhere!

‘You can't. It's impossible.’

I hope you’re right.

Even if a male body could be made to accept a womb, the ethics of introducing a foetus into that experiment are very troubling indeed.

In the video clip I saw the surgeon said most of their clients came from abroad, so it'll be European, N American, Antipodean money that'll be spent on these ops.

Why aren’t pro-life types shouting down the houses about this? Surely dooming a viable embryo to one of these inhospitable transplanted wombs without the correct infrastructure is a no-no? I mean, they’re not widening pelvises, fiddling with the pituitary gland, implanting ovaries or addressing any of the zillion other tiny biological differences that make this fly in a woman’s body. It’s like plonking a empty chassis down on the drive and saying you’ve got a full working car. 🤔 I’m with the PP who says this is Overton’s Window flimflam.