I’m scared

[CindyLouWho1]

An American friend who is very pro-choice posted something on social media about the repeal of Roe vs Wade in the US.

In response, a male friend of hers posted berated her for transphobia because she’d mentioned the word woman and referred to female reproductive organs.

She posted a lengthy apology about how “grateful” and “humbled” she was to have been called out on this. She apologised for “neglecting to consider people with penises” and promised to be “careful” not to deny other people’s identities when expressing her opinions in case she unwittingly perpetuates “harmful attitudes”.

What. The. Fuck. Is. Going. On???

When did people start talking - and thinking - like this? OK, some trans men and NB people don’t identify with the word woman but that doesn’t change the fact that abortion is an issue that specifically and exclusively affects people with FEMALE bodies (commonly known as women) and I cannot imagine how or why it is considered transphobic to acknowledge that. And it certainly has fuck all to do with “people with penises”, however they identify.

I just don’t understand. The post reads like it was written by a member of a cult. Or like I’ve said elsewhere, like 1984. I find it incredibly sinister and disturbing.

To be kind and considerate towards minority groups who are suffering oppression is commendable but to put their feelings above everything else, even when the topic in question doesn’t even concern them, and to apologise for failing to do so - that’s just fucking insane.

Excuse the typos

The overwrought apologies and grovelling just feed into it. You’d hope she’d be able
to say I see your point but the majority will use common terms and this issue is ultimately so important.

But maybe she was afraid for her job or similar and felt she had too.

Did this really happen?

This is one of many reasons why I'm happy to be considered on the "wrong side of history" regarding gender identity ideology. Much less abject grovelling needed.

Does anything ever really happen? Or is it all just a figment of our imaginations? Are you even real? Is anything even real?

Can you send this to your friend? On telling someone why you won't call women 'uterus-havers', 'birthing bodies' etc.

elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/just-say-thisdont-say-that-its-such?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

If you ever see me apologise for 'neglecting people with penises' it'll be heavily laced with sarcasm.

Sometimes (often), you don’t get the full impact of the written word. Is there any chance she could have meant it sarcastically if she laid it on that thick?

I’d be tempted to write to her and congratulate her on her original post and say that her apology had you going for a while until you realised it was a joke.

Outrage at abortion debate not including transmen was on my FB this weekend. I find it particularly difficult when you genuinely like the person.😠. It’s the first time I’ve hidden someone because I don’t agree with their views. It felt like a hideous first step towards living in a bubble.

I was thinking along the lines of @Rightsraptor sounds to me like there may have been a bit of over egging the pudding going on in the response your friend gave.

No, Glassware. Sounds about right for the US. They have lost their minds in mass delusion.

And to the OP: don't let yourself be bolloxed. Just because they can't even imagine reality anymore, doesn't make the delusions any less delusional.

I have loved ones over there. Believe me I am well aware of how much koolaid had been consumed surrounding this issue.

America is a terrifying place IMHO. If you are not watching out for your neighbour who might sue you or shoot you, you need to be careful the cops or government dont take a disliking to something you've said or done. Plenty of people still alive who remember McCarthyism. Women have shit rights there already, the place just has better PR than other countries who treat us like cattle.

And therein lies the problem. Instead of grovelling apologies, these people should be told to piss right off back down the hole they came from

Please see my thread from yesterday, '"I am the people, I am the people' said the man"' on the dangers of erasing the word woman from this debate.

Men are now appropriating pregnancy. The anti-choice brigade have noticed the Left's fear of using the word woman, replacing the word with 'people; a word which includes ALL MEN, and weaponised this against women. Yesterday in NYC, a male anti-abortion protestor made this point loudly from some church steps. In response to the pro-choice crowd's chants about "people's" (not "women's") right to choose, he shouted back "I am the people, I am the people." "A woman's right to choose" vs "people's right to choose". The Left, in using this language, gives men an equal say. And the Left have deliberately chosen over the last 5 years to erase the words they would once have used to oppose this.

It turns out we ARE living in 1984. I wrote a post yesterday asking for help and within an hour MumsnetHQ took it down and asked to censor it. I am shocked and scared.

Was she being sarcastic?

Nightmare yes I noticed that. It is back up now but I don’t know what was censored.

Solzhenitsyn, Havel, and Lifton describe what is happening in that incident very well.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?

I have recently seen a blue tick with 41k followers chide a journalist who used the words "surrogate mother " in an article about the appalling situation of SMs in Ukraine saying "this is a very good and well reported article and it's a super important topic but surrogate mother is an outdated term. Gestational carrier or just surrogate is used".
The reporter, who has a mere 8404 followers grovelled and thanked her and removed the word mother in her next tweet.

The blue tick got ratioed for her words and deleted her tweet though the tweet of the next person who supported her words is still there and the subsequent thread.

It's really sickening that these powerful women feel entitled to police language in this way. And it was a good article and anyone reading it should be appalled at the situation of these women and in particular at the disgraceful ownership and entitlement of American commissioning parents who are piling pressure on the poor women to go where they deem appropriate to deliver the babies. But I expect the blue tick is reserving her sympathy for the poor CPs who are worried about getting "their" babies. I wouldn't be surprised if she has completely missed the point of the article.

twitter.com/cciancutti/status/1522031103103496192?s=21

I'd also assume sarcasm. Surely.

Sorry. Mumsnet won't let me post screenshots again.

I've seen similar suggested apologies on Twitter when someone has erred in their language.

I've seen comparable apologies issued there and within organisations when somebody was 'called out' for misgendering or failure to use approved language. I'd be relieved if this were sarcasm in this instance but it does happen.

Woke friends on FB have been posting pissy posts about people excluding 'people with uteruses who don't identify as women' when discussing removing women's rights to bodily autonomy.

Trying to ignore. This shit is clouding the issue, for sure. A cynic might say that some people consider that a benefit. Division, dissent, women argue about a tangential issue while those in power get on with removing women's rights.