Non-Binary is the new "not like other girls"

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Very interesting article from 2019. The author was actually fired from her unrelated job for writing it.

It is very on point.

And what's interesting is that M.K. Fain worked in the tech industry. She was fired for writing her personal opinion about something that had nothing to do with her job, on a blog that had nothing to do with her job. I find that astonishing.

This is one example in the list of women who have lost their jobs for gender critical beliefs expressed in their private lives.

And yes, nonbinary really IS like that, as far as I can tell, for many. Some identifying that way are just confused teenagers who want to rebel, some are just plain narcissists, some are suffering from various mental disorders, and some men want to escape the current anger at white men etc.

But most enbies, I believe, are female people who think that they can escape sexism and misogyny by transitioning and who also hold rigid views about sex roles. I dislike the identity as its existence forces others into those binary boxes. If we take it seriously, that is, so I can't.

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I found this an interesting read

I wonder what percentage of individuals would not align with just the one same sex on all those different measures? My guess is that it is a very small number. In other words, most everyone is either male or female by all those different definitions.

But it would certainly be interesting to test all people and to see if identifying as, say, nonbinary actually means that the person in some ways might fall into some 'in-between' biological category?

Though I must admit that I have read lots of articles on this topic and have never before come across the nonbinary concept in the biological setting. Individuals with DSDs are still male or female and so on.

To clarify my previous comment: DSDs (which used to be called intersex conditions) are quite rare, so even if some identify as nonbinary because of having a DSD, the vast majority don't fall into that category.

As an aside, I fell down the rabbit's hole Googling stuff on gender and sex. No, sex is not a spectrum. Yes, secondary sexual characteristics can vary between individuals of the same sex (some men are more bearded than others etc.), but that doesn't make sex a spectrum, and neither does the existence of individuals with DSD, almost all of whom are either male or female.

I saw that on a friend's FB page, I think she'd posted it in support of Lia Thomas / trans inclusion in women's sport. She didn't have a response to someone who pointed out the clear advantages gained by a male having gone through puberty, though.

But how to explain where babies come from?

People with DSDs are either male or female. Using them to prop up arguments about there being more than two sexes is muddled thinking. They are a tiny minority and have nothing to do with girls identifying as non binary

I suggest you look at Dr Emma Hilton twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1213112141152174080?s=21&t=GmN-0CUVA0g4wF3E7ZZMiw @maddy68

I think we should all ignore the attempted detail and focus on the article.

And what's interesting is that M.K. Fain worked in the tech industry. She was fired for writing her personal opinion about something that had nothing to do with her job.

She worked as a writer. She was blocked from medium (so not a job, per se but the same effect) and all her existing articles removed.

Given that medium is supposed to be an open platform supporting writers to discuss any topic they want it is particularly ridiculous they can't even cope with someone expressing views they don't like on another platform.

I work with teens and it is so glaringly obvious that non-binary is basically ‘I’m different and special’.

it’s like getting a tattoo or piercing used to be. I’m a rebel, me!

Just remember that in many cases it's the other girls who told that child they are wired , different and not like them

She worked as a writer. She was blocked from medium and all her existing articles removed.

Forgot to mention that that censorship is what prompted her to set up the 4w feminist blog. Every time they punish women they end up adding to the weight of opposition.

Totally. And because I'm special you have to use different pronouns the talk about me and I will be sorely offended if you forget. My teen daughters' friends change their preferred name and pronouns frequently, barely any wishes to be known by their given name. And anyone who doesn't keep up with the name and pronouns they identify with this week is a horrible transphobe. FFS.

My son overhead a teacher telling off a girl at school yesterday - the teacher called her 'young lady' and she retorted 'I'M NON BINARY!'

So of course the teacher had to say sorry. The girl in question looks like a very girly girl.

@donquixotedelamancha I am not sure i understand your post ... you say 'She worked as a writer. She was blocked from medium (so not a job, per se but the same effect) and all her existing articles removed.'...

She was also sacked from her job, denied her full final salary and access to unemployment if she refused to sign a non disclosure and then other organisations that she spoke at (paid and non paid positions) cancelled her talks and she was sacked from volunteer positions. So yes... she was sacked from her job and they cited the article as the reason she was sacked. (Apologies if I misunderstood your post)

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I can't imagine any of the teachers I had putting up with this nonsense for a second.

And you say that everytime they punish women they add to the weight of opposition... sadly that doesnt even come close to being true. Mostly when they punish women, women do not have the support or resources to defend or fight, mostly when women are punished, they are silenced.

I used to have an article saved listing many little known women who had lost their publishing contracts due to feminist views they had expressed. This article is no longer available where it was originally shared, these women and many many more who dare not speak out have been silenced. MN offers me this emoji... 🔕 ..

Paraphrasing Donne quote 'For whom the bell tolls'. 'Any woman's silence diminishes me, because I am involved in womankind, whenever one is silenced, they also silence me.'

While silencing other women doesn't actually silence me.. it does make it much more difficult to speak though. I am very grateful for all the brave women who speak out.

Just need to point out that even people with DSDs are either male or female, it's just that there are extra chromosomes or variations to complicate the plain old XX or XY. There is no such thing as a non-binary person. There are two sexes and we are all, some of us with variations on the basic binary theme, one or the other.

It strikes me that what the author's friends are going through is that often very difficult period of life, one's 20s, when the world opens up and we're expected to find our feet and live independently and pay rent and work and look perfect and dress stylishly and meet the right man or woman and deal with any shit that our childhood has lumbered us with. It's in your 20s that, imo, feminism can be a lifeline. I wish the women in the article had been able to hold onto feminism and turn their energy outward into something positive rather than taking it out negatively on themselves.

She was also sacked from her job, denied her full final salary and access to unemployment if she refused to sign a non disclosure and then other organisations that she spoke at (paid and non paid positions) cancelled her talks and she was sacked from volunteer positions. So yes... she was sacked from her job and they cited the article as the reason she was sacked. (Apologies if I misunderstood your post)

You didn't misunderstand- my fault for not reading the article (trying to launch children). I knew about her already from the medium debacle but didn't realise she'd already lost her job by that point.

That article is chilling. I am constantly amazed at these women who are willing to keep going in the face of appalling treatment.

And you say that everytime they punish women they add to the weight of opposition... sadly that doesnt even come close to being true. Mostly when they punish women, women do not have the support or resources to defend or fight, mostly when women are punished, they are silenced.

You are sadly correct in the short term- this strategy has paid big dividends already. I'm not trying to minimise the awful way some women hve suffered and, of course, it often works because not every has the resources to do what MK Fain, M Forstater or JK Rowling have done. Still I hope that, in the long run, totalitarianism is self defeating and the bulling tactics serve to harden resolve and bring attention to the issue.

“A world segregated into male and female categories feels suffocating. Nonbinary identity is a radical escape hatch.”

That's the key, isn't it?
It's opting out of being female because it's hard.
I'd dispute the writer's statement that it's "fucking horrible" because I'm bloody proud to be a woman, but puberty is awful what with the body changes, the periods, the sudden attention from men, the expectation of what you're supposed to do/wear/say/think/want on the basis of gender expectations that are foisted on you whether you want it or not.
And I'd say that those expectations have been given a dose of steroids in the last generation because of social media.
Don't look like a Kardashian?
You can't possibly be a woman!

So we need to be supporting girls to become what ever sort of woman they want, not shrugging our shoulders and holding the escape hatch door open for them.

But I also agree with PPs that "I'm non-binary" is a way of saying "I'm special and different". We have to wonder why that's so prevalent - is it just normal teen behaviour that's been enabled by the adults rather than placed within appropriate boundaries, or is there at least a cohort within a generation that permanently demands to be special?

@donquixotedelamancha. I admire your optimism. I do see great conversations happening but I also see the TRA agenda becoming more widespead. So many women have been hurt by this and it doesn't seem like stopping.

It feels like the fearless girl in front of the bull.. well guess what.. the chances are the girl was trampled and the city is still not a safe or equal place for women.

But we must carry on speaking out and I am so grateful for those who do.

and then Amanda Gordon's Roevwade tiktok appeared on my feed and made me believe again!!

Gender non-conforming grey haired menopausal woman here. I know I'm fucking brilliant. I don't need to pretend to belong to some stupid mean girls club. I never have.

The mean girls being NB nonsense.

Dd was the one that stood out at school for not being non binary nor pansexual. Those were the current faves amongst her class. Anything to avoid boys. Fast forward a year and a few of them fancy boys and have boyfriends so the ideologists are less vocal.