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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Respect my Sex - Mayor of Watford

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Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:09

Hi All
With the up coming local elections I wanted to get an idea of the candidates views on women's rights. In Watford we have an elected mayor, the position has been held by 2 people since it was created 20 years ago, both LibDems.

To get an idea of the candidates' stances I sent the following message to all 3 (as well as the local council candidates who haven't replied).

Dear Candidate

I live in xxx Ward and currently find myself politically homeless, having recently given birth to a baby girl I have come to realise the importance of women’s hard won rights and protections and the reasons they are needed. You may have seen the campaign ‘Respect my Sex if you want my ‘X’’, in which women all over the country are talking to local election candidates about women’s sex-based rights and single-sex spaces and services.

Sex is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. Women’s single-sex spaces and services matter for the dignity, privacy, and safety of women.

Yet some local authorities, have begun prioritising the concept of self-identified ‘gender’ over sex. This filters down into Council policies with an impact on the provision of women’s single-sex spaces and services – for example public toilets and park facilities. Clarity about sex also matters for sports – girls and women need single-sex competitions to guarantee fair and safe competition. Clarity about sex matters for safeguarding children. Some schools have removed single-sex toilets and local authorities have endorsed materials which suggest that what makes a child a boy or a girl is whether they fit into masculine or feminine stereotypes.

I’m interested to know where you would stand on these issues and would be grateful if you would let me know how you would answer the following questions:

Can you tell me what a woman is?
Do you understand that the Equality Act 2010 allows for single-sex services and sports?
If elected, would you work to ensure that our local authority:
retains the concept of sex where it matters in language, communications, data collection, and policy development;
protects women’s single-sex spaces and services, both in direct provision, and where you have regulatory / partnership influence;
prioritises safeguarding the vulnerable, especially children, in the provision of all spaces and services where sex matters?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Many thanks

My Name

I have heard back from all 3 and will post the replies in the order I received them.

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Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:12

Binita Mehta-Parmar
Conservative Candidate

Hi (First Name),

Hope you are well. Congratulations on the birth of your daughter. Hope you are enjoying this special time in your family life.

Women are adult human females and have vaginas. I am proud to be the only woman standing for Mayor of Watford and hope to be the first non-white female Mayor in the country next week. The safety of women is really important to me and something I feel strongly about, as are equal opportunities, women's rights and maintaining single-sex spaces and services for women.

The government increasingly distinguishes between biological sex and gender identity. The first should determine how to protect women’s rights in sport, prisons and toilets etc. as for gender identity – I believe people should be free to live their lives as they wish. I'm sure you will agree that the Conservative party best represents your views on this issue, so I hope to have your support.

Thank you for getting in touch and I hope you have a wonderful long weekend with the family.

Many thanks,

Binita

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Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:15

Asif Khan
Labour candidate

Hi (common misspelling of my first name),

thanks for contacting me.

My answers are below.

Then the text in bold added as answers to my original email:

Can you tell me what a woman is!?

The same as the biological definition.

Do you understand that the Equality Act 2010 allows for single-sex services and sports?

Yes, I understand this.

If elected, would you work to ensure that our local authority:
retains the concept of sex where it matters in language, communications, data collection, and policy development;

Yes

protects women’s single-sex spaces and services, both in direct provision, and where you have regulatory / partnership influence;

Yes

prioritises safeguarding the vulnerable, especially children, in the provision of all spaces and services where sex matters?

Yes

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Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:18

Peter Taylor
Incumbent LibDem

Dear (First name),

I understand that you have also written to my colleague (local candidate), so please see below response from both of us in relation to your email regarding the issue of sex and gender.

The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, and we reject all forms of prejudice and discrimination.

We are committed to tackling violence by men against women and girls, which is far too prevalent in our society. We have been campaigning hard for misogyny to be made a hate crime; for the Government to ratify the Istanbul Convention and uphold internationally-agreed standards for preventing violence against women and supporting survivors; to improve age-appropriate sex and relationship education in schools; and to ensure better training and more resources for police, prosecutors and judges – so survivors are listened to and supported, criminals are punished, and victims get justice.

We are committed to fighting for both gender equality and equality for all LGBT+ people. For most people, their gender matches their physical sex at birth, but there are hundreds of thousands of trans people for whom that is not the case, and I believe we must respect their identities too.

Liberal Democrats believe we must ensure the safety, dignity and wellbeing of all people. We are committed to upholding women’s rights and trans rights, and do not believe that the two are in conflict.

That is demonstrated by the Equality Act 2010, which makes it unlawful to discriminate against someone on the basis of any of a list of protected characteristics, including both sex and gender reassignment.

The Act sets out certain exceptions where differentiated treatment is permitted, including in relation to single-sex services, sports, and the selection of candidates by political parties. However, there is considerable debate and uncertainty for people over the use of these exceptions.

Liberal Democrats believe that individuals and service providers should be given more clarity over how to make decisions that are often very difficult and sensitive. The Government should publish clear and comprehensive guidance on the use of single-sex and separate-sex exceptions under the Act, using worked examples and case studies from organisations providing these services.

The aim of that guidance should be to ensure that everyone who needs single-sex services – such as survivors of sexual violence or domestic abuse – can access them safely, to prevent unjustified discrimination against trans people, and to provide clarity and certainty to service providers and the public. It should be produced in consultation with those most likely to be affected, including women who have experienced sexual violence or domestic abuse, trans people and providers of single-sex services.

When it comes to sports, Liberal Democrats believe that it should be for each sporting body to balance three priorities in relation to their own sport: safety, fairness and inclusion. The right way to balance each of those will depend on the particular nature of each sport.

For almost two decades, since the passage of the Gender Recognition Act in 2004, we have had a process for trans people to gain legal recognition of their affirmed gender. However, as the Government concluded in 2018, the current gender recognition process is too bureaucratic and intrusive.

Liberal Democrats continue to support the proposals put forward by the Government four years ago to reform the process to make it easier for trans people to gain legal recognition of their gender. These changes would remove the requirement for medical reports and the spousal veto, while preserving safeguards to prevent abuse by non-trans people. Applicants would still have to prove that they have lived in their affirmed gender for at least two years, and make a legal declaration that they intend to live permanently in that gender for the rest of their life.

None of these changes to the gender recognition process would change the Equality Act provisions allowing single-sex services to exclude or restrict access to people because they are trans, as long as it is justified as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. The Equality and Human Rights Commission recently published a statement making that clear:

“Because the operation of the Equality Act gender reassignment exceptions does not rely on possession, or not, of a Gender Recognition Certificate, any reform of the Gender Recognition Act will not erode the special status of services provided separately for men and women, or for men or women only, as defined by the Equality Act 2010, such as domestic abuse refuges, health services and clubs.”

I certainly agree that the debate around this issue has become far too hostile and toxic. I hope that, whether you agree with us on this or not, you will take my response in the same spirit that I took your email: as part of a good-faith conversation about how we can ensure everyone’s safety and dignity.

Yours sincerely,

Peter Taylor and (local candidate)

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Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:19

So as a left leaning woman who would you vote for?

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axolotlfloof · 04/05/2022 11:24

Not the Lib Dem.
I was a Lib Dem member and resigned my membership over this issue.
At least the other 2 know what a woman is.

AnneLovesGilbert · 04/05/2022 11:25

Thank you for writing to them and sharing the responses you’ve had. Interesting.

mogtheexcellent · 04/05/2022 11:26

The conservative candidate has a better grip on this particular issue. What is her stance on other issues?

Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:29

axolotlfloof · 04/05/2022 11:24

Not the Lib Dem.
I was a Lib Dem member and resigned my membership over this issue.
At least the other 2 know what a woman is.

Yeah I can't see myself voting Lib Dem ever again! I am so disappointed with their broken promises when in government and their jumping on whatever is the most "popular" bandwagon.

To be fair though the town is lovely, they have done a good job in local government. Although there were rumours that the previous mayor's husband was benefiting from some of the development.

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Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:33

mogtheexcellent · 04/05/2022 11:26

The conservative candidate has a better grip on this particular issue. What is her stance on other issues?

She doesn't look too bad actually, all the policies make sense:

https://www.binitamp.org.uk/my-plan-watford

But I do worry about services for vulnerable people potentially being cut if she is aiming to reduce tax.

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lassof · 04/05/2022 11:33

Very interesting thank you. It would be a Tory vote for me. First time in my life!

FemaleAndLearning · 04/05/2022 11:40

I would vote for the Tory on this issue. The last one you posted talked far too little about women.
Woman's Place UK are collecting all the responses via their website. Will be interesting to read. The form you fill in is at the bottom of this web page.
womansplaceuk.org/2022/03/08/wpuk-questions-for-councillors/

picklemewalnuts · 04/05/2022 11:42

The Lib Dem seemed very aware, and keen to appear to be seen as fair and equal handed. That suggests to me a lack of commitment to the rights of women, I'm afraid. They are not sufficiently clear that trans rights are completely separate from women's rights, and must not over ride them.

So it would be the first candidate for me. I don't think conservatives are particularly uncaring about the poor in society, they just address it completely differently. It's a regular argument in my house.

SpringLobelia · 04/05/2022 11:45

picklemewalnuts · 04/05/2022 11:42

The Lib Dem seemed very aware, and keen to appear to be seen as fair and equal handed. That suggests to me a lack of commitment to the rights of women, I'm afraid. They are not sufficiently clear that trans rights are completely separate from women's rights, and must not over ride them.

So it would be the first candidate for me. I don't think conservatives are particularly uncaring about the poor in society, they just address it completely differently. It's a regular argument in my house.

I agree.

Artichokeleaves · 04/05/2022 11:47

Two sensible responses and one wall of waffly bull.

Ok.

LunaMoonHare · 04/05/2022 11:47

If women's rights were my main priority (which for me is the case) then I would vote for the Tory candidate. That's an excellent response on the issue from her.

I've only ever voted Labour and was a party member previously, btw.

Notcreativeatall · 04/05/2022 11:50

Labour
In this case the Labour candidate's views on this (single) issue appear reasonable - although not as fulsome as the Tory candidates so even if you were a single issue voter you wouldn't have a reason to veer from your natural tendencies.

Birkenshock · 04/05/2022 11:51

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musttryharder84 · 04/05/2022 11:51

I cannot bring myself to vote Conservative, I just can't do it. I don't agree with them on 80% of their views.
But I also don't like the other answers, and I do think the Conservative response is well put together and does align with my views on this topic.
I think I'll just not bother voting for the first time ever

Beowulfa · 04/05/2022 11:51

I thought the LibDem candidate was trying extremely hard, but was constrained by the party's subservience to gender ideology.

I liked the succinctness of the Labour candidate, and the personal touch of the Conservative properly reading and responding to your birth news.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/05/2022 11:54

Wow, this IS progress. Good to see.

I'd vote labour - GC Labour are the business. :)

zanahoria · 04/05/2022 11:55

The Tory candidate shows more understanding but the labour response is short and to the point - nothing wrong with that - especially after reading the embarrassing Lib Demo waffle.

Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:57

FemaleAndLearning · 04/05/2022 11:40

I would vote for the Tory on this issue. The last one you posted talked far too little about women.
Woman's Place UK are collecting all the responses via their website. Will be interesting to read. The form you fill in is at the bottom of this web page.
womansplaceuk.org/2022/03/08/wpuk-questions-for-councillors/

Thanks I've submitted the responses.

I think I agree with you on the candidates

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Fink · 04/05/2022 11:57

The Tory was the best response on this issue, but the Labour was also acceptable. Wouldn't vote for Lib Dem at all. For me, personally, I would vote Labour for the other issues and feel happy that they were on the right page as regards sex and gender, so I guess it depends how you feel about other issues.

DisforDarkChocolate · 04/05/2022 12:01

God it depresses my I may vote Conservative for the first time in my life.

Mandodari · 04/05/2022 12:01

I consider myself left wing on many social issues but based on the responses, the tory candidate was the only one to come out and say exactly what a woman is. The Labour one , to me, seems to be obfuscating with the reply of 'same as the biological one' considering certain groups are taking in delight in challenging what biology means. I wouldn't enjoy doing it but if the tory candidate can ensure that public spaces in your area such as toilets, changing rooms etc remain single sex, I would go with her. If Labour lose council seats and it can be seen as directly attributal to their stance on promoting tras rights over womens rights, they might take notice. Voting for the Liberal one wouldn't even cross my mind, based on the waffling response given.