Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal
select the video and mic that are not crossed out, this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 1 👇

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

I don't think there's any issue with an interested member of the public taking notes, as it were. Tribunal Tweets were required to given personal contact details and make assurances, but that was because there was the issue of access to the full bundle.

The barristers here saying "apples and pears" when they mean "apples and oranges" is annoying me inordinately.

Still catching up with this thread, but well said Roseglen! I too have become far more militant due to ‘give them an inch and they take a mile’!!

You can quibble with the words used but I think this point is worth repeating.

"AB: I don't think we can compare me objecting to heterosexual men discussing how to have sex with lesbians with the complaints to chambers. Apples and pears."

You can feel the quiet rage that underpins this comment, just from those words alone. And her precise language here (excluding 🍎 & 🍐 ) is really important IMO.

Ooft! AB is taking no shit today:

Re: cotton ceiling course...

"AB: not as participant. I would not qualify, this is a course for heterosexual men identifying as women and lesbians, like AD."

Round of applause to Allison here.

Bravo Allison re the cotton ceiling tweet. 👏

Allison is a force of nature. The sunlight here is extraordinary. Streisand effect in full display.

What other purpose would they have?

I don't think I would go anywhere near that tweet if I were opposing counsel.

She's brilliant isn't she. The controlled anger at what Stonewall were doing.

Ikky yes, now everyone knows

Who is this Page they are referring to?

Incredibly powerful statement by AB there about Morgan Page's Cottom Ceiling course. These soundbites are incredibly valuable.

Allison is coming over as an incredibly strong and principled lesbian and feminist who has taken a thoughtful and serious view of things and put herself on the line.

Morgan Page

VestofAbsurdity: www.stonewall.org.uk/people/morgan-m-page

Thanks.

Also: 4thwavenow.com/2019/01/26/my-trans-youth-group-experience-with-morgan-page/

AB lost her way a bit with "coerce" but she's back on track clarifying that it's not simply threat or force. Other coercive motivators are often in operation in the Cotton Ceiling dynamic.

Sounds like a really wonderful person does M Page (heavy sarcasm).

Off-topic, but thinking about pronouns discussion earlier on. Whilst I don't object to using someone's preferred name and pronouns, I really dislike seeing pronouns in email signatures etc.

I think this is because it broadcasts acceptance of a particular (religious) worldview that prioritises an internal felt sense of gender identity over biological sex (with all the sexism and stereotypes that come along with that). That is not a privilege afforded to any other protected belief.

No workplace would be comfortable with an employee writing "I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour" or "Vote Labour" in their email signatures, so why on earth is it acceptable to prominently signal your belief in gender identity?

Absolutely. This is extraordinary. The stuff about shame. Feeling like IO walked into this. Are they so out of touch with how the uncaptured think?

This quibbling by IO that AB mentioning "young lesbians" means that AB must not be concerned about "older lesbians" is peculiar.

What I meant by "peculiar" is that when you take gender identity ideology onboard uncritically you can often find yourself arguing in favour of things that, when viewed objectively, are simply unpleasant (at best).

She is great. Just bunged a few hop plants into her flowerbed in lieu of buying her a pint. 😀