Men in women's' prison article

[FatFucker]

Hope this is picked up by the National
Press!!

4w.pub/female-prisoners-forced-to-share-showers-with-intact-males/

MtF prisoners are now housed in separate wings from female prisoners.

I am another who would like to see the proof of that. I would like it to be true. As others have said FPFW report otherwise.

@Discovereads

You say 'MtF prisoners are now housed in separate wings from female prisoners.'

With such authority you must be using some sort of report for saying this yes? So can you just link to it to put all our minds at ease. Thanks.

I am sickened that some of our most vulnerable women are being treated like this. I'd like to know how many women are in prison related (indirectly) to domestic abuse for example having to shoplift to feed your children because of financial abuse?

I really want to do more and have been looking on Keep Prisons Single Sex (which should be called get male prisoners out of women's prisons). If we can't protect these women what chance do we have to protect others. I'm so enraged and thank you to previous poster for sharing your experience.

I would like to see an article that writes just about the UK situation as that would be much easier to share as people get turned off the first paragraph with it being USA focused.
Sorry I'm rambling because I'm so angry and feel so powerless.

Also how do we find out if our local women's prisons house males? I'm guessing the stats are fucked up?

Also how do we find out if our local women's prisons house males?

HMCIP reports contain the information but you have to scour the whole report.

Unbelievable that anyone could defend this
Vile
Those poor women

As far as I am aware, in Scotland male prisoners who identify as women are all accommodated in the female estate , unless they need to be held in a prison with the highest security rating and as there is no such female prison, they have to be held in the male estate. However, all female prisoners who identify as men are also in the female estate.

MtF prisoners are now housed in separate wings from female prisoners

If you are talking about what used to be the Josephine Butler unit, using that for MTF prisoners instead of young female prisoners has ended with two young female offenders being placed in a mens unit.

I don't think that's the case. I think 1/3 of all crimes committed by women is for not paying a TV licence fee. Women are more likely to get caught for it, as women are more likely to open the front door to an inspector. I don't think people are imprisoned for it, as I don't believe a prison sentence can be handed out for it.

What I was not aware of until recently is that inmates are only identified as transgender if they have not had a GRC. Once an inmate has a GRC, they are no longer recorded as transgender, but just a women.

Yes the prisoners would come from all over U.K. to one prison and likely be far away from family and friends so not much visiting, but I don’t see any way around that other than to use video calling technologies.

I disagree in that I think if the women, who probably shouldn’t be in prison anyway, have children or any family near by, they must be able to be visited by them. The children need to see and touch their mothers (unless they are dangerous).

To deport mothers away from their families would be a worse crime by the state than whatever crime they had committed ( unless Myra Hindley type).

I do think Trans prisoners need their own safe sections.

At the same time women need their own sex-based prison space.

What did the Equalities Commission say about this recently? Is it or is it not law that women must be housed according to their sex?

And no, GRC does not make a man a woman.

I very much agree, I'm pointing out at how again figures are being manipulated and that once GRC is acquired the prisons no longer record them as being transgender (even though they are). It leads to misleading figures yet again.

So we can safely say that the number of transgender prisoners is higher than any public body is claiming.

There is effectively a Ministry of Disinformation.

Also, wasn't the separate wing at Downview built to house women who needed a little extra support and help to get back on their feet and be independent? Why has that facility now been handed over to the males with special feelings? It was built for women. Women lose out by not being able to use it!
Also, be under no illusion, there are very few checks and balances for male inmates within prison obtaining a GRC, then moving to the female estate. Males convicted of sexual offences against women & girls are obtaining GRCs and moving to the female estate. It's a shit show.

I know it's slightly off topic, but how on earth can women seriously be put in jail for non payment of the TV license these days? It's legal not to pay your tv license - as long as you only use paid for subscription services / on demand (except for iplayer) and don't watch live tv.

I've been doing this for years, not giving a penny to that women hating paedophile enabling institution.

I've just looked it up (I googled so it might not be definitive) but it seems that you get issued a fine if you're convicted for non- payment of tv license, but if you don't pay the fine (for example if you're too poor to be able to afford the fine) then you can end up in prison.

So it looks like women can be put in prison for not paying the tv license and that those that do end up in prison for this are more likely to be poor.

If the state is then taking a mother away from her children for this that DOES seem a worse crime than non payment of the tv license.

What a lovely country to live in.

Reading this is definitely making me feel much more supportive of the idea of scrapping the TV license altogether, if only to save those women who'll end up in prison (and potentially raped) as a result of it.

The pages I found were from 2020, I'm seriously hoping they've stopped this.

There is no need at all to put male-bodied offenders into female establishments. There are VP units in men's prisons, and also specialist sex offender prisons for the large proportion of trans women prisoners who are sex offenders. They do not need places in the women's estate.

I am not sure that there are any FtM offenders in the male estate at present. This is not MOJ policy, for fairly obvious reasons. @Discovereads , do you have any hard data on this?

I cannot immediately find the reference but there has been some academic research in Scotland into male prisoners who claim to identify as women and then get moved to the women’s estate. Apparently a number of them make little/no effort to present as women and then revert to living as men after they are released. Whodda thunk?!!??

Everyone except the TRAs now that these chancers are pretending to be transgender.

For some strange reason TRAs are very concerned about misgendering convicted liars. I find it very odd that a paedophile that says he is a 15 year old girl, is acknowledged to be lying about his age, but not about his gender.

I think this is it - it's open access too:
academic.oup.com/bjc/advance-article/doi/10.1093/bjc/azab091/6370239

Oh yes that’s it @InvisibleDragon thank you - I’d seen only a summary I think.

I wish the article had given some overall statistics on the answers. Ideally, some more specific questions should have been asked of all the participants and then open-ended questions could have been added.

As the article stands, it's really hard to get an overall impression about the answers. For instance, we are not told how many trans women each of the interviewees had known in prison etc. That makes it hard to know when the reactions are to a specific individual and when they are based on knowing several individuals.

I understand that the small number of respondents makes discussing patterns almost impossible. But there are things the author could have added, such as how the respondents were picked for the study. It's unlikely to have been random by those who did the picking.

Still, it's interesting.

How many male prisoners sharing showers with women prisoners are needed to be a problem?

F2M aren't sent to make prisons, it's not safe apparently, can't think why 🤷

The case studies on the Keep Prisons Single Sex website linked to in the article are horrendous: kpssinfo.org/males-in-womens-prisons/

Shocking and here in Ireland the Court case is ongoing about Barbie Kardashian who is in a female prison for attacking his mum and attacking a social worker violently and for saying he would find his mum and stab her in her genitalia and pour boiling water there also. If he gets sentenced to jail term will he be yet again put back into a female only prison even though he/she has still got a penis.

Thanks to been able to just change your sex identity with a piece of paper even though you still have a penis. Shocking things have to change so women are safe in female only spaces.