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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Breaking: claims that the American Supreme Court will strike down Roe v. Wade

242 replies

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 03/05/2022 02:46

extract from article tonight

Headline:

The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.

The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.

“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”

Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.

Continues: Article on leaked draft opinion

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Terfydactyl · 03/05/2022 08:53

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 07:52

‘The number of abortions won't reduce only the number of SAFE abortions will go down.’

I have to say I disagree. Many women (including me, probably) might change aspects of their sexual behaviour if they knew safe abortion wasn’t an option. And that’s what motivates the American right: they want women chaste or married.

This decision will kill some women, but they don’t care about that.

How will changing behaviour prevent one being raped?
I dont know the stats in the USA but if its similar to the UK, that's a large amount of women potentially giving birth to unwanted babies.
What happens to the babies?

Terfydactyl · 03/05/2022 08:55

Ok a quick Google tells me 400k women raped in 2019.
That's a lot of additional babies into the care system.

hearmywomanlyroar · 03/05/2022 09:04

bellinisurge · 03/05/2022 08:31

A plague on both their fucking houses. I am done with the birthing body shit from people supposed to be standing up for women. Go fuck yourselves.

Yep

EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 03/05/2022 09:08

Which behaviours should a dirt-poor 12 year old in Alabama make to prevent her being impregnated by her rapist step-father?

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 03/05/2022 09:12

EsmaCannonball · 03/05/2022 08:29

The left has been happy to dangle women's rights over us, to say our rights are contingent upon not pissing them off. They don't want us to have rights, they want us grateful. They're the man who's secretly happy the world is so dangerous for women because we'll need their offer to walk us home, the man who's happy his wife earns less because she can't leave him.

Liberal feminists have have been cheerleaders for our rights dripping away because they worshipped the men who were doing it. Now the men they don't like are attacking us they think it's our fault. This is what happens when you invest your time in telling women we are privileged, that we have no common cause, that our rights are done (so we are stuck-up cis bitches if we don't move on to campaigning for everyone else). Perhaps all that time spent arguing for men to have smear tests and for leaflets to say 'pregnant people' could have been spent making actual women's rights secure.

All of this!!!!!

Im so bloody angry that so many supposedly educated women in ACLU and planned parenthood have devoted so much time to male women and huffed that any woman pointing out that feminism wasn’t done yet that they had “cis privilege” & TW were more oppressed, we’ll slow fucking hand clap ladies, well fucking done

ScreamingMeMe · 03/05/2022 09:12

WalrusSubmarine · 03/05/2022 07:03

We’ve Dehumanised women. The ‘liberals’ have been so keen to push identity politics it’s driven moderate people towards the right and given power those that want these extremes.

Were stuck between a massive rock and a very hard place.

Yup. This is all utterly horrifying.

DomesticatedZombie · 03/05/2022 09:14

FannyCann · 03/05/2022 05:53

And of course there is a flurry of talk of "birthing bodies" Hmm

How is a woman having an early abortion a birthing body?

If you can't name women, you can't protect them, you blithering fucking idiots.

Shocking news. Wake up, American women!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/05/2022 09:19

Many women (including me, probably) might change aspects of their sexual behaviour if they knew safe abortion wasn’t an option.

But you shouldn’t have to. Your sexual behaviour should be something of your free will, as should be the right to body autonomy in regard of pregnancy.

This sets women’s rights back decades.

JanisMoplin · 03/05/2022 09:20

Unbelievable. I am Asian and have a niece in Texas, who appear to have less rights than in our country of origin.

Lovelyricepudding · 03/05/2022 09:21

FlowerArranger · 03/05/2022 06:57

I always thought the US Supreme Court is such an undemocratic way of making law. The American people have no way to influence the composition of the Court. It's all in the hands of whoever happens to be President at the time an existing judge pops his/her clogs.

I have a lot if respect for the late RBG, in fact I thought she was wonderful. But her delaying her departure from the Court until Trump was President has contributed to the imbalance of judges right now. She knew she was gravely ill and should have resigned midway through the Obama presidency to ensure a Democrat replacement.

That would also apply to the Roe vs Wade decision. It sounds like this decision is saying abortion should be subject to democratic decision making rather than the undemocratic courts? The problem then is the bipartisan nature of American politics.

bellinisurge · 03/05/2022 09:25

Already getting voices on Twitter shouting at women for not reframing this to talk about it in an inclusive way.
I refers them back to my previous "Get to Fuck, you wanker".

Floisme · 03/05/2022 09:26

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 03/05/2022 08:18

We can only hope this will be one of the catalyst moments which galvanise enough people to create real political pressure.

Yes this is my hope too. I also hope (although sadly I think this is less likely) that the fight will bring more women together across the political divides. Because if there's one take-out for me from the last few years, it's that neither the left nor the right can be trusted with women's rights.

DomesticatedZombie · 03/05/2022 09:27

bellinisurge · 03/05/2022 09:25

Already getting voices on Twitter shouting at women for not reframing this to talk about it in an inclusive way.
I refers them back to my previous "Get to Fuck, you wanker".

Seconded.

JanisMoplin · 03/05/2022 09:27

Women are always last on everyone's list of priorities, for sure.

endofthelinefinally · 03/05/2022 09:29

"Many women (including me, probably) might change aspects of their sexual behaviour if they knew safe abortion wasn’t an option."

That isn't helpful for women who have been raped/coerced/have no access to or failure of contraception, or have an ectopic pregnancy.

endofthelinefinally · 03/05/2022 09:29

No idea why that all came out in bold italics.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 03/05/2022 09:30

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 06:37

‘Birthing bodies have a right to freedom’ - it’s hardly William Wallace, is it?

It just goes to show that the right and the left are both trying to remove women's rights in different ways. If women can't be named, then we lose our ability to protect our rights.

I find it difficult to believe the outrage over this from people who dehumanise women to the extent of calling them 'birthing bodies'. I think it's pure politics. They don't really care about women, clearly.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 03/05/2022 09:32

Why would it be TRAs rather than, for instance, incels? They are much more likely to view it as their right to control what happens to women's bodies

TRAs are already using it as a threat

the idea if abortion rights being rolled back is horrific

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 03/05/2022 09:32

Blessed be the fruit. I'm sure Atwood thought she was writing fiction.

Lovelyricepudding · 03/05/2022 09:33

How will changing behaviour prevent one being raped?

Didn't a politician in one state think women could shut down their bodies when being raped? Possibly the same state that decreed ectopic pregnancies must be reimplanted in the uterus?

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 09:34

‘But you shouldn’t have to. Your sexual behaviour should be something of your free will, as should be the right to body autonomy in regard of pregnancy.’

I know.

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 09:36

‘How will changing behaviour prevent one being raped?’

It won’t. The question (or point being addressed) was whether overturning Roe v Wade would lead to fewer abortions being performed. I have no doubt fewer abortions overall will be performed if legal abortion is banned. That will mean some women will abstain (more) from sex. It will mean some women will have a child when they would otherwise have accessed legal, safe abortion. It will mean some women will access illegal, unsafe abortion.

Triffid1 · 03/05/2022 09:39

"Many women (including me, probably) might change aspects of their sexual behaviour if they knew safe abortion wasn’t an option"

The number of woman whose sexual behaviour is impacted by their right to abortion is small. Of course there might be some women who don't use protection because they are happy just to have abortions whenever they get pregnant, but the vast vast bulk of women seeking abortion have not just being willy nilly having sex without worrying about pregnancy.

God, it's comments like that that are part of this slippery slope we on. If even the people who think abortion should be legal think that women use abortion as just one of many contraceptive choices....

theemperorhasnoclothes · 03/05/2022 09:40

I'm increasingly of the view that there's quite a lot in common between TRAs and incels. Neither want women to have the right to say 'no'.

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 09:41

Obviously in Twitter-land this can all be laid at the door of gender-critical feminists. Because the far left has has nothing to do with driving moderate people and people in the left who do know what a woman is to a place where they are refusing to vote with, campaign with or elect people who call us “birthing bodies” and “bleeders”, and think children should be given sterilising sex change drugs. 🤡