Marcia Bowers on children transitioning

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thepostmillennial.com/gender-affirming-surgeon-admits-children-who-undergo-transition-before-puberty-never-attain-sexual-satisfaction

I had a quick look and couldn't see that this had already been posted. Marci seems to be hedging their bets. Admitting these kids will have no sexual function as adults but talking about in future "letting a little bit of puberty happen" rather than not messing at all with kids' development.

There's another thread on this that I just posted on
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4541521-the-kids-really-cant-give-informed-consent-can-they

And this was my comment, I'm repeating it here because the whole this pisses me off no end

Circumferences · 02/05/2022 08:42

FFS Bowers is one of the leading trans affirming surgeons and still says this:

"...a teen who doesn't want to be the biological sex that they are is able to stop their natural puberty with puberty blockers, a drug called Lupron, and then use hormones to force their body to go through the puberty of the opposite sex,"

But that's NOT what happens!
A female child loaded with testosterone doesn't go through the puberty of the opposite sex, they just don't in the slightest. Likewise a boy on puberty blockers pumped full of Estrogen is not going to go through anything even vaguely similar to a female puberty.

It's so unbelievably infuriating that people who are at the very forefront of evolving medical practices being done to children are so irresponsible with the truth.

The experts in this field can't be trusted! No child should have any contact with any of them!

Seriously, if your child not having a normal sexual function as an adult doesn't jolt affirmative parents awake then I don't know what will.

I was watching an interview last night between Benjamin Boyce and Denise, the American woman who runs 4th Wave Now. I'm only half way through but it's interesting because they are talking about things in the US.

Denise believes there is a backing away from the use of puberty blockers because of the kind of acknowledgements people like Bowers are making plus the evidence coming from Europe.

However she believes the push in the US is now to skip PB (because why have a pause when 'trans kids' need to be immediately affirmed) and to go straight to cross sex hormones so these children can go through puberty at the same rate as their peers.

This raises a lot of questions though. What is going to happen if you start a 10/11 yr old girl on testosterone or a boy on oestrogen?

Frying pan/ fire springs to mind.

Its too late fir some if their patients though isn't it.

Including one very famous one where marcie can be seen arguing in theatre and no where to be seen when the complications start before the patient even makes it to the car.

Not a good advert for any of it. And coning out about puberty blockers now does not remotely soften the blow with any thing else

I notice that Marcia doesn't mention any of the adverse effects of puberty blockers on bones or the brain not developing properly nor any of the female sex specific consequences of puberty blockers including early menopause, vaginal atrophy and early onset dementia.
It seems that Marcia only cares about males and making things easier for them when having surgery there is no real interest in the long-term physical and mental health

Joss Prior giving out on Twitter that anyone concerned about this is a “nonce”, because it’s ‘necessary and urgent treatment’ and it’s about ‘harm reduction’.

There is strong evidence that the majority of children who present with gender dysphoria will eventually reconcile with their natal sex if you medics do nothing at all. The difficult is that there’s no way of knowing (even if you accept that some of the children will maintain a sex incongruent ‘identity’ into adulthood) which of them will eventually be ‘trans’. They are not psychologically mature enough to have a stable identity and therefore it is impossible to know which of them might emerge with a stable adult identity they would regard as ‘trans’. What gender ideologues are suggesting we do is guess. That is not ‘urgent and necessary’; it’s negligent.

Ah. Classic DARVO. 🙄

So necessary and urgent that the vast majority of males never even have surgery and immensely enjoy having a penis and a sex life.. Something they would not enjoy if they'd ever had puberty blockers.

Odd how all the adults want the right to self identify with no treatment whatsoever whilst simultaneously campaigning for children to start medication at puberty.

This. Is. A. Genocide. of a generation.

Without the children this isn't an innate physicality.

Trans adults need the children to be a clearly defined actuality that needs treatment in order to validate behaviour.

And in the words of Magdalen Berns "of course you don't want gender affirming surgery Alex, they chop your cock off."

These kids are the expendable cost of the adults who are pushing gender ideology.
It is unforgivable what is happening to them.

Trans adults need children who are trans identifying to remove any doubts that for men, identifying as trans has a sexual component.

The issue is that children at Tanner stage 2 - when puberty blockers start - are too young to fully comprehend about sex and fertility AND it would feel creepy talking about sex and orgasms to primary school aged kids.

So people don’t - leading to sterile young trans women with the genitals of a 10 year old boy. Who will they have intimate relationships with?

Joss Prior giving out on Twitter that anyone concerned about this is a “nonce”, because it’s ‘necessary and urgent treatment’ and it’s about ‘harm reduction’.

I've just started reading this by a detrans guy in the U.K. He transitioned medically at 28-30 so not a child. And yet describes unimaginable harm.

I have huge red flag issues with adult males who identify as women, telling us to leave them (mostly female) kids alone and we are nonces.

So maybe we need to start analysing like with like. As Benjamin Boyce said to Helen and Stephanie in their latest interview, the detransed men need their own spaces; they have nothing in common with the women.

So where's the harm reduction 🤔

Gonads play an important part in our endocrine systemem_, responsible for more than just reproduction, which is something I didn’t learn until I detransitioned. In nearly a decade of medical care, not one medical professional made this clear.*

https://tullipr.substack.com/p/lost-boys-part-iii

Emasculation
The problems I have with my waterworks mean that even with pelvic floor exercises I don’t fully empty my bladder. That means that, after going to the toilet, I’ll continue to drip for up to an hour. When I’m out and about I must wear sanitary pads or risk smelling of urine.

Shopping for underwear sucks too. Men’s underwear has space for appendages I don’t possess and is uncomfortable. I mostly wear plain black women’s briefs, largely because I’m also wearing pads too.

Because of my gyno-breasts and body shape, I tend to wear a slightly smaller t-shirt to flatten my chest (because fuck binding) along with a hoody three sizes too big to hide the evidence of my prior bad choices.

Even in transition, I never once claimed to be female or even a woman. I accepted that I was male. I still do, but because of things like the above, it’s hard to feel like a man – or even want to.

The problems I have with my waterworks mean that even with pelvic floor exercises I don’t fully empty my bladder. That means that, after going to the toilet, I’ll continue to drip for up to an hour. When I’m out and about I must wear sanitary pads or risk smelling of urine

things * *like this honestly make me feel that none if this surgery or medication should even be a thing.

Men and women are left disabled, incontinent, badly scarred with bone density issues, vaginal atrophy etc

These are outcomes that medicine is usually hell.bent on trying to prevent. Complications that would mean in many cases of so many other conditions the benefits would not outweigh the risks. Wanting to do this surgery, can surely only border on a wish to self harm. The medical equivalent of suicide by cop. These drs do not care about their patients. If they did they'd never do this to them

I’m not interested in acquiring any further radical physical changes. I don’t want any more surgeries ever again. I just want the bare minimum HRT. I want to be healthy, and I want to do so without doing more damage to my body. That's it. It just feels like no one knows what they’re doing. It’s completely experimental. I had no idea I was signing up to be a test subject. How dare I assume that medical professionals know what they’re doing!

So kids are able to consent to invasive surgeries that adults don't even have informed consent about?

This is never ever going to be harm reduction.

This is active harm being done and lauded.

The absolute certainty that anything other than affirmation and medical treatment is going to kill the child because allegedly every single damn child who feels confused by the gender identity "education" that they are swimming in at the moment is DEFINITELY going to kill themselves - that's what I'd like to see light most poured on.

It is considered "conversion therapy" for a qualified adult to even have a conversation with a child who expresses feelings of dysphoria that isn't anything other than agreeing with them that they (the poison they have been drip fed) are right. How have we even ended up in this mess that nobody is allowed to gently help a child to see their own body in a positive way, and that it needs no alteration, to help them to improve their self-esteem and confidence in who they are, and encourage them that they can dress and behave in ways that don't align with gender stereotypes and to hell with anybody who says that they can't. How, HOW is it that what 10 years ago would have been basic body and self-confidence lessons is now considered to be bloody conversion therapy?!!!!

It's so unbelievably infuriating that people who are at the very forefront of evolving medical practices being done to children are so irresponsible with the truth.

Being a part of this ideology fundamentally requires a commitment to truth being a subjective, selective thing, based on feelings and wishes and not on facts. You cannot expect that someone who uses selective facts in one instance of their life will be responsibly objective in others. It's not a bug, it's a feature of this entire belief system.

It is not compatible with positions of responsibility for this reason.