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What next for surrogacy in Ukraine? Location,location,location

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FannyCann · 27/04/2022 06:41

I subscribe to a newsletter with updates about the situation regarding surrogacy in Ukraine. A couple of days ago I received this news.

I'm just so shocked and sickened by the determination to continue to make use of Ukrainian women by any means possible. Shattered by war, any Ukrainian woman still seeking to resort to surrogacy surely must be as vulnerable as can be, any person who seeks to use these women in this way is reprehensible.

We all knew international surrogacy tourism is just people trafficking but this is in plain sight and utterly blatant.

What's next for intended parents working with Ukraine?

When war came to Ukraine, hundreds of international families were already pinning their hopes on surrogacy there. Some had shipped their embryos to the country. Others had travelled there to create them. Some had signed on to work with specific surrogates and were poised to begin. But everything stopped in late February with the Russian invasion.
Now, two months in, there is no real end in sight. Intended parents are looking for other options.
This past week, I spoke by Zoom with Uliana Dorofeyeva, who is medical director of Ovogene, an egg bank based in Lviv, and who also works with International Fertility Group (IFG), a surrogacy agency headquartered in Israel. She described a plan to temporarily divert some Ukrainian surrogacy arrangements to another country.
Early in the war, Ovogene evacuated over 12,000 embryos out of the country, across the border into Slovakia, says Dorofeyeva. The embryos are now being held securely in a facility in Bratislava. The company was able to do this quickly, she says, because they already had a working relationship with a Bratislava clinic prior to the war.
Couples looking to move forward with transfers using their own bodies can work with the Slovak clinic. But since surrogacy is not legal in Slovakia, people pursuing surrogacy must go elsewhere.
For clients whose Ukrainian surrogacy plans were interrupted by war, IFG is now offering a new option. Couples who already had contracts and arrangements in place can continue working with their assigned Ukrainian surrogate. They will just move the arrangement to another surrogacy-friendly country.
The first such country on offer is Georgia, which, says Dorofeyeva, has surrogacy laws that are similar to Ukraine's. Dorofeyeva says that 30 couples have already expressed interest.
Here's how it would work.
Embryos stored in Slovakia (or elsewhere outside Ukraine) would be shipped to one of three clinics in Georgia: Invitro, Beta, or GGRC.
The same Ukrainian surrogates who had already been contracted to work with couples in Ukraine would continue to work with those couples, but in Georgia. About half of these women, estimates Dorofeyeva, are now outside Ukraine, living in Poland, Slovakia or Romania. To continue the surrogacy, they would be asked to travel to Tbilisi, Georgia's capital.
Unlike many countries, including Ukraine, says Dorofeyeva, Georgia allows foreign women to enter the country and act as surrogates there.
Existing paperwork would be transferred to Georgia by IFG. New paperwork would be drawn up to establish relationships with the Georgian clinics.
Once in Georgia, and once the new paperwork was prepared, a surrogate would come under the care of a Georgian fertility clinic. Doctors there would start her on drugs to prepare her uterus, transfer the embryo and monitor for implantation and pregnancy.
If a pregnancy is established and goes smoothly, the Ukrainian surrogate would be free to move somewhere else — back to Poland or Slovakia or Romania, for instance. She could return there for the remainder of her first trimester and all of her second trimester, says Dorofeyeva. IFG will arrange for medical support and pregnancy care throughout that time.
Women whose surrogate pregnancies are more medially bumpy would be required to stay in Georgia, however, says Dorofeyeva.
IFG will cover the cost of travel to and from Georgia and accommodation while there. They will also ensure that the woman is paid the promised fee for her work as a surrogate. Under IFG's arrangement, the intended parents and the surrogate do not know each other's identities.
At 30 weeks of pregnancy the surrogate would be required to return to Georgia and spend the last trimester there. She would give birth in Georgia. The parents would then travel to Georgia, complete their paperwork, and take their baby home.
It is also possible that a surrogate will return to Ukraine to give birth. That will be decided around week 28 of pregnancy, says Dorofeyeva. If the situation is stable in Ukraine, some parents may opt for that. The contracts established in Georgia will allow for either contingency.
The war briefly paused Ukrainian surrogacy. But Ukrainian surrogacy is now resuming in new forms.

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FannyCann · 27/04/2022 06:46

I am also wondering if some of these women will end up in the UK or perhaps women who have already made it to the UK will still be tempted or prevailed upon to engage in surrogacy. Perhaps my imagination is in overdrive, but then I didn't imagine there would be such determination to keep the business going by any means possible despite the outbreak of war. Maybe agencies that already have potential surrogate mothers and commissioning parents on their books can simply put the two together and if the woman is in the UK make arrangements accordingly?

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Clymene · 27/04/2022 06:46

That is grim. Shipping their vessels to another country so that they can continue to abuse them.

FannyCann · 27/04/2022 06:48

New Hope surrogacy agency posted this on their Facebook page - looks like business as usual.

What next for surrogacy in Ukraine?  Location,location,location
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Imabouttoexplode · 27/04/2022 07:00

Grim is the right word for it. It demonstrates how truly selfish the human race is. Nothing matters more than your own wants and needs. There are no ends you will go to in screwing another person over, so long as you get your own wish. Truly chilling.

FannyCann · 27/04/2022 08:17

One of the previous threads about surrogacy in Ukraine, just to bring it all together.

21 babies stuck in a bomb shelter in Ukraine. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4506457-21-babies-stuck-in-a-bomb-shelter-in-Ukraine

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ImAvingOops · 27/04/2022 08:22

Absolutely disgusting. Couples who are happy to enter into an arrangement where they don't even know the identity of the woman carrying their baby, are disgusting.

PineForestsAndSunshine · 27/04/2022 08:29

Women whose surrogate pregnancies are more medially bumpy would be required to stay in Georgia

“Medically bumpy”. What a lovely euphemism.

Dangerous. Women whose pregnancies are more dangerous.

Ylvamoon · 27/04/2022 08:29

😨- these poor women! How can anyone in a safe country think this is OK?
I get infertility, but this is just plain and simple inhumane.

Stellamar · 27/04/2022 09:17

Horrific. These women are traumatised refugees. For goodness sake.

DomesticatedZombie · 27/04/2022 09:20

Stellamar · 27/04/2022 09:17

Horrific. These women are traumatised refugees. For goodness sake.

Yep. Some cynical people may see that as a business opportunity, I suppose.

OhHolyJesus · 27/04/2022 10:11

Surrogacy agencies in the Uk are not able to advertise under current law but they do continue to post encouraging messages with the aim of generating more 'breeding stock'. With no English, free maternity care and the chance to stay with your children whilst pregnant it would seem like a good option for some women coming to the Uk as a refugee. We know pimps were started waiting at the train stations near to the Polish border, suggesting these women sell their bodies, why not their babies? Oh I'm sorry, these women aren't paid in the UK, they just get expenses...

GCMM · 27/04/2022 10:36

The scale of this is shocking (as well as the fact of it). 12, 000 embryos transferred out of Ukraine from just one clinic!!

Isonthecase · 27/04/2022 10:46

Amazing they can get them out absolutely fine when other women are stuck in the country. Maybe those in maripol should sign up to be surrogates. Bastards.

FannyCann · 27/04/2022 11:23

Yes @GCMM 12,000 embryos !
And that's just one egg bank. It's unbelievable really when one thinks about the logistics of that. I assume couples would have several embryos each so the numbers of potential parents are less, and some of those will be for couples looking for a cheaper IVF option in Ukraine doing it themselves whilst others will be planned for use with a surrogate mother.
But this is just one egg bank.
And a lot of those eggs will have come from women who have been paid to "donate" their eggs.

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ChopinBoard · 27/04/2022 11:36

I feel sick

Carrotmum · 27/04/2022 11:45

How could anyone who thinks surrogacy is a lovely altruistic bonding experience blah blah read this without feeling sick to their stomach? It’s beyond disgusting. Do the commissioning parents get a refund if a baby or pregnant surrogate dies in a disgusting cellar in Ukraine with little food or water while being shelled by Russian forces?

Doona · 27/04/2022 11:48

This is awful. How is it that surrogacy is so accepted? I don't understand it.

Thelnebriati · 27/04/2022 11:50

I don't like the word 'privilege' and think its been overused; but you have to be privileged to be blind to the conditions Ukranian women are subjected to while pushing business as usual. Or abusive. Or maybe both.

FannyCann · 27/04/2022 13:22

Found the previous thread about surrogacy in Ukraine just to keep a few if the threads together for reference.

Surrogacy in Ukraine - Times article www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4486282-Surrogacy-in-Ukraine-Times-article

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FromOurHatsToOurFeet · 27/04/2022 13:34

"Couples using their own bodies" - from a surrogacy agency trying to put the best spin possible on the process and the best term they could come up with was "couples using their own bodies" Hmm

OhHolyJesus · 27/04/2022 14:09

FannyCann · 27/04/2022 06:48

New Hope surrogacy agency posted this on their Facebook page - looks like business as usual.

New Hope Surrogacy is the agency who coordinated the making of the baby boy who has been rejected by the commissioning parents. They split before he was born, and as he has an unspecified medical condition the genetic and legal father has abandoned him. There seem to be plans to arrange a private adoption in the U.K somehow.

Translate these tweets for the full story, the crowdfunder looks dodgy to me.

twitter.com/omnia_somnia/status/1517974050324287491?s=21&t=ah9GchdTb7eYo_5i9Uvr_g

I can understand why the children’s ambassador in Ukraine questioned the commercial practice when it was highlighted by the COVID pandemic but the agencies are determined to keep making and selling babies and adding to their profits, even during times of war.

Clymene · 27/04/2022 14:38

Bloody hell @OhHolyJesus - that is horrifying. So much for being the baby's parents. They're not really are they? Parents don't discard their babies when they're disabled.

OhHolyJesus · 27/04/2022 17:23

Goes to show doesn't it that you can't make someone parent their child, even though legally and genetically the father is the father. Father's aren't made to step up and take their responsibilities seriously anyway, we know men can walk away from pregnancy and all that follows, but mothers are expected to as the baby comes from their body. You can't deny the reality when the baby is inside you and you're the one giving birth...only in surrogacy the mother doesn't have responsibility either and here the commissioning mother also isn't interested so this child is left nameless, parent-less and stateless.

Plenty of commissioning parents showed their lack of appreciation for foreign laws and travel restrictions during Covid, but special dispensations and arrangements were made and the babies entered the country of the commissioning parent's residence. This is all possible for this child too but the ones who paid for him to be made can't quite stretch to meet their responsibilities now he is here, since he isn't as 'perfect' as they imagined or that they paid for him to be. Just awful but this is what happens when you allow children to be purchased.

Helleofabore · 28/04/2022 05:57

I am not sure how any person supporting surrogacy can read this and not reconsider.

’Breeding stock’ is exactly what these women are reduced to.

Shuttled back and forth to foreign countries and to finally spend last trimester alone in a foreign country relying on a medical system you have little control over, without family support either.

All while now being even more reliant on the income due to what may be the loss of everything you had, that you knew and any stability.

FFS. How? How can people not see just how inhumane this all is?

I suspect we will not hear a peep from the usual posters though.

MadameFantabulosa · 28/04/2022 06:20

I’ve known two couples who have used a Ukrainian surrogate. All have shown scant regard for the birth mother once the baby arrived. One couple insisted that the mother have a drug free labour. The other, the biological mother was yelling to be allowed to see her baby when the birth mother was being sewn up after a c section. The most recent couple didn’t see a problem with the birth mother returning to a war zone after the birth.

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