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What next for surrogacy in Ukraine? Location,location,location

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FannyCann · 27/04/2022 06:41

I subscribe to a newsletter with updates about the situation regarding surrogacy in Ukraine. A couple of days ago I received this news.

I'm just so shocked and sickened by the determination to continue to make use of Ukrainian women by any means possible. Shattered by war, any Ukrainian woman still seeking to resort to surrogacy surely must be as vulnerable as can be, any person who seeks to use these women in this way is reprehensible.

We all knew international surrogacy tourism is just people trafficking but this is in plain sight and utterly blatant.

What's next for intended parents working with Ukraine?

When war came to Ukraine, hundreds of international families were already pinning their hopes on surrogacy there. Some had shipped their embryos to the country. Others had travelled there to create them. Some had signed on to work with specific surrogates and were poised to begin. But everything stopped in late February with the Russian invasion.
Now, two months in, there is no real end in sight. Intended parents are looking for other options.
This past week, I spoke by Zoom with Uliana Dorofeyeva, who is medical director of Ovogene, an egg bank based in Lviv, and who also works with International Fertility Group (IFG), a surrogacy agency headquartered in Israel. She described a plan to temporarily divert some Ukrainian surrogacy arrangements to another country.
Early in the war, Ovogene evacuated over 12,000 embryos out of the country, across the border into Slovakia, says Dorofeyeva. The embryos are now being held securely in a facility in Bratislava. The company was able to do this quickly, she says, because they already had a working relationship with a Bratislava clinic prior to the war.
Couples looking to move forward with transfers using their own bodies can work with the Slovak clinic. But since surrogacy is not legal in Slovakia, people pursuing surrogacy must go elsewhere.
For clients whose Ukrainian surrogacy plans were interrupted by war, IFG is now offering a new option. Couples who already had contracts and arrangements in place can continue working with their assigned Ukrainian surrogate. They will just move the arrangement to another surrogacy-friendly country.
The first such country on offer is Georgia, which, says Dorofeyeva, has surrogacy laws that are similar to Ukraine's. Dorofeyeva says that 30 couples have already expressed interest.
Here's how it would work.
Embryos stored in Slovakia (or elsewhere outside Ukraine) would be shipped to one of three clinics in Georgia: Invitro, Beta, or GGRC.
The same Ukrainian surrogates who had already been contracted to work with couples in Ukraine would continue to work with those couples, but in Georgia. About half of these women, estimates Dorofeyeva, are now outside Ukraine, living in Poland, Slovakia or Romania. To continue the surrogacy, they would be asked to travel to Tbilisi, Georgia's capital.
Unlike many countries, including Ukraine, says Dorofeyeva, Georgia allows foreign women to enter the country and act as surrogates there.
Existing paperwork would be transferred to Georgia by IFG. New paperwork would be drawn up to establish relationships with the Georgian clinics.
Once in Georgia, and once the new paperwork was prepared, a surrogate would come under the care of a Georgian fertility clinic. Doctors there would start her on drugs to prepare her uterus, transfer the embryo and monitor for implantation and pregnancy.
If a pregnancy is established and goes smoothly, the Ukrainian surrogate would be free to move somewhere else — back to Poland or Slovakia or Romania, for instance. She could return there for the remainder of her first trimester and all of her second trimester, says Dorofeyeva. IFG will arrange for medical support and pregnancy care throughout that time.
Women whose surrogate pregnancies are more medially bumpy would be required to stay in Georgia, however, says Dorofeyeva.
IFG will cover the cost of travel to and from Georgia and accommodation while there. They will also ensure that the woman is paid the promised fee for her work as a surrogate. Under IFG's arrangement, the intended parents and the surrogate do not know each other's identities.
At 30 weeks of pregnancy the surrogate would be required to return to Georgia and spend the last trimester there. She would give birth in Georgia. The parents would then travel to Georgia, complete their paperwork, and take their baby home.
It is also possible that a surrogate will return to Ukraine to give birth. That will be decided around week 28 of pregnancy, says Dorofeyeva. If the situation is stable in Ukraine, some parents may opt for that. The contracts established in Georgia will allow for either contingency.
The war briefly paused Ukrainian surrogacy. But Ukrainian surrogacy is now resuming in new forms.

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MadameFantabulosa · 28/04/2022 06:21

Neither couple was British. Not that that makes a difference!

Helleofabore · 28/04/2022 06:25

MadameFantabulosa

Not sure how either couple can live with themselves. Drug free labour? Nothing? I can see many issues there.

And less said about sending woman back to a war zone, let alone a recently delivered and by c section one, the better.

Moodycow78 · 28/04/2022 06:39

You need new friends!

FannyCann · 28/04/2022 08:21

Absolutely agree @Helleofabore

I've been thinking about the Law Commission proposals - a key argument of theirs is that by regulating surrogacy in the U.K. better and making it more attractive to do in the UK this will mean people won't be "driven" abroad. It's an incredibly naive assumption doomed to fail imo because:

  1. Unless it would be fully funded by the NHS, it will still be an expensive process and people will look for a cheaper option.
  2. Notwithstanding the economic downturn surrogacy is unlikely to be an attractive option for most women. There will continue to be a lack of supply driving people to use women in countries where there is a plentiful supply of poor, desperate women.
  3. Some people just don't want to have to interact with the surrogate mother as happens in the UK "altruistic" model. They literally want a womb for rent. A grobag.
Like buying your meat at the supermarket and not wanting to think about what goes on at the abattoir (me, I am not vegetarian, I like meat but would never want to visit an abattoir, sorry) they don't want any involvement in that side of the deal. They just want to buy a baby.
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FannyCann · 28/04/2022 10:50

In this case in which a woman has been awarded approximately £500K to travel to California to engage four surrogate mothers (as she had always wanted a large family) the court sympathised with the woman's preference not to be friends with the surrogate mother(s).

www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0013-judgment.pdf

What next for surrogacy in Ukraine?  Location,location,location
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habibihabibi · 28/04/2022 11:02

Commercial surrogacy should be banned completely. It is a disgrace that the UK allows its citizens to exploit woman in other countries .
The Ukraine has thousands of orphans and a proportion are from failed surrogacy.

drspouse · 28/04/2022 12:15

FannyCann · 28/04/2022 10:50

In this case in which a woman has been awarded approximately £500K to travel to California to engage four surrogate mothers (as she had always wanted a large family) the court sympathised with the woman's preference not to be friends with the surrogate mother(s).

www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0013-judgment.pdf

Is it even legal for a UK family to use Californian surrogates given the complexities around parentage etc.?

Stellamar · 28/04/2022 12:29

@OhHolyJesus Those awful people should be prosecuted for child abandonment and named and shamed in the newspapers. At least be made to pay the costs of bringing the poor child to the UK for adoption.

In fact I think it should be illegal to circumvent UK laws by going abroad to buy a child.

The UN or someone needs to step in with the Ukraine situation.

OhHolyJesus · 28/04/2022 13:54

As Ireland is reviewing international surrogacy and has strong links to Ukraine surrogacy (there's no shortage of news stories of Irish commissioning parents being stuck in Ukraine following covid travel restrictions and also stories of them 'rescuing' their surrogate born babies and leaving the mother behind in a war zone) I found the criticism of Senator Keogan last week really interesting.

She raised concerns over the practice and exploitation involved in international surrogacy, which is often commercial and this is what happened.

twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1517452354718732288?s=20&t=Nq38VFYTWjttcovsTlSerA

No wonder she has resigned
www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40860449.html

Is this happens if you express a different view in Ireland? Is this what 'progressive' means there?

OhHolyJesus · 28/04/2022 13:58

Another video of Sen. Keogan here - aside from the long answer from the first woman (where she didn't answer the question at all actually but appeared to use the time to garner sympathy), the second woman seems to be saying that Human Rights laws means people have a right to a child.

twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1517517241113358336?s=20&t=CldJtMJhyzoN3Tanq1WvZg

The treatment of Sen.Keogan again is also relevant IMHO.

(Sorry OP, I know this is about Ukraine but I think there is a connection here.)

FannyCann · 28/04/2022 14:04

Thanks for the information @OhHolyJesus
It's all part of the same story.

@drspouse

The strong defence from the Whittington Hospital included pointing out that commercial surrogacy isn't legal in the U.K. yet they were being required to fund something that isn't legal. Somehow the judges found a way to justify their decision to support this woman being paid a huge amount of nhs money (on top of the significant compensation she had already received) to pursue an arrangement that would not be legal here.

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OhHolyJesus · 24/04/2023 19:58

Reviving this thread with this from the Times:

"Alona, 26, who is five months pregnant, said she didn’t know the names of the British couple whose child she was carrying. “I like that I can help them find happiness,” she said. “And of course financially it is good too.”

Ukraine surrogates fear ban on births for foreigners (thetimes.co.uk)

Ukraine surrogates fear ban on births for foreigners

Wealthy couples are still paying women in the war-torn country to carry their babies

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/48095f36-e085-11ed-9678-d2cf456d2b78

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