Dorries: it's impossible for TW to compete in women's sport

[ResisterRex]

This might even be part of a longer interview but all I see is this clip:

mobile.twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1517235602516852736?cxt=HHwWgIC-ib3vpo4qAAAA

"I am absolutely of the opinion that it is impossible for a trans woman to compete in women’s sport"

Wow! That's cheering.

Yes!!!

She says she doesn't want to make it law, but the implication, to me, is that she will if sporting bodies don't get a grip.

she has apparently asked sporting bodies to come together to discuss this if I heard her correctly. Now that would be interesting to watch.

So so good to hear common sense finally being spoken.

It's the sporting bodies who need to change their rules for international reach.

Very good.

"...you can choose your gender, and we will help you and support you to do that"

Says to me that she still really doesn't 'get it'. How can we then protect the safety and dignity of women, Nadine?

We can't.
We HAVE to repeal the GRA and put an end to all this nonsense.

Is this from an interview which included the 'author' Amy Nickell? I didn't watch it, but it's appearing in my news feeds as an article by GB news. The article goes on to say that Amy suggests that transwomen who have taken puberty blockers should be ok and allowed to compete. Also that Sweden has been giving puberty blockers for years with great success. Hasn't Sweden recently announced that it won't be treating children with affirming medical treatment in future? Presumably because it's perhaps not quite as successful after all..

Not seen that Amy Nickell before. What a loon. Like the female version of India Willoughby. Hopefully they’ll get her on at every opportunity!

I watched the segment with Amy Nickell. She was terrible. Also spouted the false suicide statistics.
Thinks women should just move over for these poor men. And actually pretty much said who watches and cares about womens sport anyway!

That segment with Amy Nickell was sickening. She spouted so much misinformation that I am surprised she is invited onto the show.

www.gbnews.uk/news/author-causes-outrage-after-suggesting-hormone-blockers-for-children-as-trans-sport-solution/277913

Absolutely clueless!

I actually think sport should wait a bit . Sport is the biggest spotlight on this and I don't think we've had enough transwoman in the headlines yet. The whole trans debate hasn't reached most people yet, it's just not on their radar. If we see more transwoman (who are very obviously male bodied) winning against women in sport on TV and front pages that will draw more attention to this. It's the most obvious sign that TWANW. I know short term women will lose out but tackling sport now, leaves prisons, schools, hospitals etc to carry on as before because not enough people will see what's happening.

I didn’t know until today that the fastest woman in (known) history was the American, Florence Griffith Joyner, who in 1988 ran the 100m in 10.49 seconds.

Her achievement was overshadowed by allegations of steroid use, although no evidence was ever found that she had cheated. She died in her sleep in 1998, aged 38.

Fastest woman ever.

Usain Bolt’s male record is 9.58 seconds. Not even a second between the male and female time.

The margins of victory in elite sport are both tiny and enormous at the same time. Months, years and lifetimes go into preparing to beat a record by a 100th of a second. A person cheating might only shave a couple off fractions of a second off a record, and steal it from someone who competed fairly.

After safety, fairness is the paramount value in competitive sport.

The thing about suicide statistics is that people choose to correlate them with whatever suits them in an attempt to make their argument unchallengeable.

People who attempt suicide (whether successful or not) do so because they are struggling with their mental health. The appropriate response is to ensure access to good mental health services not decide that the entire world should be reorganised.

If I feel so depressed that I’m suicidal and I attribute that to not being promoted at work when my colleague has, the appropriate response would be to get me help to feel better and reframe my perceptions and expectations. It’s not to decide that I should be promoted too (or instead of my colleague). Nor is it to change the entire promotions system at work to be based on how bad people feel about not being promoted. Using suicide statistics to shut down anyone who objects to this reorganisation is ridiculous.

There are fairly obvious reasons why the rates of suicide in people who identify as trans are likely to be higher than the base rate in society. But TRAs have been working very hard to pretend that discussion of the obvious link (a causal one at that) is discrimination and hatred. It’s the elephant in the room, and they want anyone even hinting at it to be vilified.

Wow. Stopped clocks and all that, but there has to be some hope if the very dim ND understands the science.

I just found a link to this article - the suicides after transitioning, from a long term study, are hugely above the normal population.

archive.ph/2014.12.23-210258/www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

Yup, I watched our Amy on that clip. Off the scale drinker of KoolAid. Puberty blockers are 'fully reversible', she says. And Kiera Bell is 'an anomoly'.

Plonker.

Puberty blockers to ensure fairness in sport would obviously be an extreme example of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut [pun possibly intended] but the prospect of more widespread use of meds before puberty do muddy the waters a bit. It's obvious to everyone [sensible] that it's patently unfair for semi-elite male athletes like the recent swimmer & cyclist to transition at age c 20 & then pop up as an elite 'female' athlete a year later. But how strong are the arguments for someone who transitioned at age say 10? What about age 15? This is only going to get messier.

I actually think sport should wait a bit . Sport is the biggest spotlight on this and I don't think we've had enough transwoman in the headlines yet. The whole trans debate hasn't reached most people yet, it's just not on their radar.

I disagree with this.I think it is on enough people's radars that now is the time to push, before we go further down a road it's harder to come back from.

In recent months I have discovered that it's not only the couple of close friends that I knew were on the same page as me...it has come up in conversation with random school mums, my elderly neighbour, a teacher at my DCs school, my leftie "be kind" friend who I'd avoided bringing it up with for fear we'd be on opposite sides, to name a few. Not only have all these people 100% agreed with my stance, they are well past the stage of fearing what other people think of views, and are vocal, well thought out and uncompromising in their opinions. It's been so refreshing!

There is no way the tide will turn back the other way. The groundswell of common sense and concern for women's rights is too strong.

I bought a IHEARTJKR bag the other day and happily use it, whereas a year ago I'd have feared I was making some sort of controversial statement.

But how strong are the arguments for someone who transitioned at age say 10? What about age 15? This is only going to get messier.

Well the answer is no one should be giving puberty blockers and life changing surgery to a child. Ever. So it shouldn't come up. What kind of sick monster tells a 10 year old their body is wrong.

And I think we're heading in a direction where it won't be legal under a certain age thankfully. Especially not once some more lawsuits have started.

15 is pretty much post puberty so that's moot. But 10 certainly isn't.

Good. We need to see the change filter through so either way

Wasn't there a case in Sweden of a person in their mid 20s with osteoporosis from lost bone density after being on puberty blockers? These kids aren't growing up to challenge for Olympic medals just because they've been stopped from going through the "wrong" puberty

‘but the prospect of more widespread use of meds before puberty do muddy the waters a bit.’

Even by the standards of the medical protocols by which puberty blockers are prescribed, the young person has to enter puberty before blockers would be given. It is very unusual for them to be prescribed before 13-14. By 13-14, there is biological male advantage.

That’s before we even raise the issues of desistance, or harms done by blockers.

Wasn't there a case in Sweden of a person in their mid 20s with osteoporosis from lost bone density after being on puberty blockers?

The case of Leo? A child who was put on puberty blockers.