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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

EHRC to appear before the House of Commons Women and Equalities Committee 20 April

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ResisterRex · 19/04/2022 14:58

20 April at 3pm

committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/news/165945/ehrc-to-appear-before-women-and-equalities-committee/

"The Equalities and Human Rights Commission is to appear before the House of Commons Women and Equalities Committee to discuss the EHRC's response to the Committee's December 2021 Report Reform of the Gender Recognition Actt_. The Committee will consider the EHRC's stance regarding the Government's 2018 consultation, more recent reforms in Scotland, and its approach to LGBTQ+ issues more widely.
The session will also scrutinise the EHRC's new three-year plan and its work following the Government’s Inclusive Britain report.
Witnesses
Wednesday 20 April
At 3pm
• Baroness Kishwer Falkner, Chairwoman, Equality and Human Rights Commission,
• Marcial Boo, Chief Executive, Equality and Human Rights Commission,
• Melanie Field, Chief Strategy and Policy Officer, Equality and Human Rights Commission."

Here's the EHRC's Strategic Plan:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/publication-download/strategic-plan-2022-2025

And this should be the right link:

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/f71c8699-64f0-4d59-ade4-f79572c550b6

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DomesticatedZombie · 20/04/2022 18:33

She's like a lawyer who thinks that if they can catch you out on minor discrepancies that will undermine everything you say and all your decisions. It's the strategy pursued by lawyers without a legal leg to stand on.

Yes, totally. I understand lawyers doing that type of arrogant showboating, it seems really out of place and inappropriate in the context of a meeting like this one, where everyone is ostensibly working together for a common goal, not trying to 'win'.

SpinningMeSoftly · 20/04/2022 19:36

TheBiologyStupid · 20/04/2022 18:29

My viewing got interrupted by a local election canvasser ringing the doorbell - his opening gambit, "I'm a Conservative - is that good or bad?" My instinctive response, "bad" - I then watched Jackie Doyle-Price appearing to be the Committee's only sensible member... Personally, I could never vote Tory, but regardless of their motivation they seem to be on the right side of this particular issue right now. I'm looking forward to a similar knock on the door from Labour and the Lib Dems though...!

Unfortunately, Caroline Nokes who chairs that committee is also a Conservative.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/04/2022 19:46

SpinningMeSoftly

"Unfortunately, Caroline Nokes who chairs that committee is also a Conservative" - Indeed! I'm not at all sure where her take on issues comes from. Her ability to call out predatory behaviour seems to stop with Boris' dad.

Pluvia · 20/04/2022 19:56

Yes, Caroline Nokes is a Conservative — but so is Jackie Doyle Price.

SpinningMeSoftly · 20/04/2022 20:18

I think a lot a lot of the gender-woo damage, it has to be faced up to, has occurred under the umbrella of this Conservative Government while the government's back was turned.

The ideological 'heavy lifting' for Stonewall etc was done first by Crispin Blunt's APPG, and the Eq&W Select Committee chaired by Maria Miller, and individual cabinet members like Mordaunt, Rudd and Morgan, nodding it through to Theresa May, and now back to Nokes.

These are Conservative dupes - educated enough to know better, but not warmly intelligent, smart or skilled enough to understand their constituents and their needs. The political equivalent of Goldsmith students lecturing working woman on their vocabulary and thoughts.

ResisterRex · 20/04/2022 20:39

I'm sure this particular committee changed its page to feature a giant rainbow umbrella quite recently. Perhaps even the day after the government responded to the report they put out in Dec (was it Christmas Eve?).

But now the LGBT APPG has gone the way it has, and the sunlight is pouring in, the in your face symbolism might be sort of left hanging.

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Datun · 20/04/2022 21:17

Placemarking

ResisterRex · 21/04/2022 05:42

In today's Times

Toxic gender debate needs a fresh start, says watchdog

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/85be02a0-c0ec-11ec-8413-422ef6319ad0?shareToken=0e2f89dd363f1d4a8ae9213b8e840a32

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Datun · 21/04/2022 08:29

She said it was “deeply unfortunate” that Stonewall and other LGBT groups had asked the UN to review the EHRC’s accreditation, noting that the attempt had been dismissed.

Personally, I'm all for places like Stonewall opposing the EHRC's guidelines. As publicly and vehemently as possible.

Let's get it all in the table. The words used, the reasons fully explained, the outcomes being pushed for.

Let's all hear it.

ResisterRex · 21/04/2022 08:44

Let's get it all in the table. The words used, the reasons fully explained, the outcomes being pushed for.

You're right. The 18(?) page letter was never made public, was it?

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VestofAbsurdity · 21/04/2022 08:51

You're right. The 18(?) page letter was never made public, was it?

No, it wasn't yet people were asked to support Stonewall's case against the EHRC without having read it, just doing their accept blindly what we tell you to accept routine again.

Binglebong · 21/04/2022 21:38

Please can someone explain the vote to reform(?) the GRA? I'm not able to watch right now and it sounds as if it could be important. Many thanks.

JoodyBlue · 22/04/2022 17:04

Cailleach1 · 20/04/2022 17:02

So, many people and organisations (stonewall) have added the T to the LG (B?), thus joining Sexual orientation and gender identity. Others don't, like the LGB Alliance.

The EHRC have SO and Gender Reassignment (GI?) as two separate protected characteristics in the Equality Act. They have a duty to look at the balancing of rights and impacts on these separately, don't they? Otherwise it would be like joining belief and disability (or always conflating two or more protected characteristics) and not having a discrete characteristic with associated protection.

So, you have protections if you are disabled. Whether you have belief in a religion or not. You may be same sex attracted (LGB), yet wish to have protections of you single sex spaces (irrespective of someone's gender reassignment). The Committee kept using LGBT. Yet they are doubling up the protected characteristics as one in a way that doesn't make clear they are separate. It is discussing the EHRC and the Equality Act after all.

Yes. This is a perfect articulation of one of the major issues. Thanks @Cailleach1

DomesticatedZombie · 23/04/2022 10:29

Binglebong · 21/04/2022 21:38

Please can someone explain the vote to reform(?) the GRA? I'm not able to watch right now and it sounds as if it could be important. Many thanks.

I didn't see all of the session, but could be talking about Scotland, where this is being discussed at the moment.

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