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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The word 'woman' is misogynistic, racist and transphobic, apparently.

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notwhatineednow · 18/04/2022 13:09

From one of the podcasts from "The Family Sex show".

This is from one of the (I assume pretty young) contributors.
Such muddled thinking, although the anti-woman feeling is clear. Who is teaching our young people this shit? Be a 'girl' or a 'lady' as it's more fun than 'woman' like those evil old TERFs.

My 12 year old niece reckons the word "female" is transphobic. This kind of thinking is in schools.

Woman

It’s like wearing a pair of jeans right. They look fine, because they are tucked underneath a top, but as soon as you lift up the top, they aren’t really done up properly or they’re rolling down. Or they’re fine when you’re stood up, but as soon as you have to be in them for a long period of time - like sat down at a restaurant or something - they just dig in. They really restrict your enjoyment because all you can think about is how you wish you’d spoken up before and gone back and got changed. And that’s how I feel when someone calls me a woman, that I just want to go back and put on something more comfortable.

I’ve not been misgendered… I know, for myself that ‘woman’ is mostly right, I just want some space for that to be more flexible. That’s why I prefer other words, like girl or lady even.. (laughs) Partly because they’re funny and partly because for me, they leave more room for the imagination. For the grey space where I feel like I exist more.

The word ‘woman’ feels so loaded with so many connotations that I don’t want anything to do with. I have seen too many women using that word as a disguise for violence. Google the term ‘TERF’ if you haven’t done so already - trans exclusionary radical feminism. Not very radical as far as I’m concerned.

And they use the word woman to continue to perpetrate misogyny or racism or transphobia, or all of the above. As a result, that word sort of feels tainted for me by other things that I want absolutely nothing to do with. I feel like identifying as a woman makes me complicit in these super shit things.

I was trying really hard to find this Instagram template, you know one of those things you put on your story and, I don’t know, insert a gif to represent your star sign or favourite pasta shape or sex position or some shit. And a little while ago, there was this one which I can’t now find for the life of me, that had a bunch of gendered words. Some were super specific like dyke or fag, that people have reclaimed for their identity, and some were more general like guys or dude, and basically you could tick and cross the words which people could use in reference to you. I fill in so many forms where I have to define my sex and my gender - and those are two very different things - and I think it would be a lot easier and more inclusive if maybe alongside this we could have an Instagram template instead. Or something like it; where you could choose which words you did or didn’t want to be used, about you.

So, if I could find it, there are lots of words I would circle or put some sparkly GIF on, but – for now at least - the word woman gets a big cross from me.

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dropthevipers · 18/04/2022 13:12

@notwhatineednow

From one of the podcasts from "The Family Sex show".

This is from one of the (I assume pretty young) contributors.
Such muddled thinking, although the anti-woman feeling is clear. Who is teaching our young people this shit? Be a 'girl' or a 'lady' as it's more fun than 'woman' like those evil old TERFs.

My 12 year old niece reckons the word "female" is transphobic. This kind of thinking is in schools.

Woman

It’s like wearing a pair of jeans right. They look fine, because they are tucked underneath a top, but as soon as you lift up the top, they aren’t really done up properly or they’re rolling down. Or they’re fine when you’re stood up, but as soon as you have to be in them for a long period of time - like sat down at a restaurant or something - they just dig in. They really restrict your enjoyment because all you can think about is how you wish you’d spoken up before and gone back and got changed. And that’s how I feel when someone calls me a woman, that I just want to go back and put on something more comfortable.

I’ve not been misgendered… I know, for myself that ‘woman’ is mostly right, I just want some space for that to be more flexible. That’s why I prefer other words, like girl or lady even.. (laughs) Partly because they’re funny and partly because for me, they leave more room for the imagination. For the grey space where I feel like I exist more.

The word ‘woman’ feels so loaded with so many connotations that I don’t want anything to do with. I have seen too many women using that word as a disguise for violence. Google the term ‘TERF’ if you haven’t done so already - trans exclusionary radical feminism. Not very radical as far as I’m concerned.

And they use the word woman to continue to perpetrate misogyny or racism or transphobia, or all of the above. As a result, that word sort of feels tainted for me by other things that I want absolutely nothing to do with. I feel like identifying as a woman makes me complicit in these super shit things.

I was trying really hard to find this Instagram template, you know one of those things you put on your story and, I don’t know, insert a gif to represent your star sign or favourite pasta shape or sex position or some shit. And a little while ago, there was this one which I can’t now find for the life of me, that had a bunch of gendered words. Some were super specific like dyke or fag, that people have reclaimed for their identity, and some were more general like guys or dude, and basically you could tick and cross the words which people could use in reference to you. I fill in so many forms where I have to define my sex and my gender - and those are two very different things - and I think it would be a lot easier and more inclusive if maybe alongside this we could have an Instagram template instead. Or something like it; where you could choose which words you did or didn’t want to be used, about you.

So, if I could find it, there are lots of words I would circle or put some sparkly GIF on, but – for now at least - the word woman gets a big cross from me.

Is that available in an english translation? Utter woke bingo salad.
tabbycatstripy · 18/04/2022 13:13

What a load of pretentious waffle.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/04/2022 13:13

there are lots of words I would circle or put some sparkly GIF on, but – for now at least - the word woman gets a big cross from me.

Well, I would hope that this person does not have influence on policy-making. tbh, I'd hope that they're in no position of power wrt to vulnerable people in any capacity but above all, I can only hope that this person is not in education, healthcare, the Civil Service, or any form of public-facing role.

EdithStourton · 18/04/2022 13:14

Truly, the world is full of navel-gazing idiots. Now they're telling us that using 'woman' makes them feel 'complicit in these super shit things'.

It's not a word I have a problem with TBH.

EastHer · 18/04/2022 13:14

I can’t follow such illogical drivel.

What a complete melt.

Organictangerine · 18/04/2022 13:15

And this is supported by a charity which delivers sex ed in school 👏🏻

Our existence just seems to bother so many men doesn’t it?

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 18/04/2022 13:16

Oh why don't they just fuck off. What about the word men? Is that allowed?

FrancescaContini · 18/04/2022 13:16

Can’t be arsed to read beyond the first couple of sentences. Utter drivel. Some people need to stop navel gazing and posturing online.

Artichokeleaves · 18/04/2022 13:18

Mad as a box of frogs.

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ImAvingOops · 18/04/2022 13:20

Stop the world, I wanna get off!

FOJN · 18/04/2022 13:21

For the grey space where I feel like I exist more.

I find these fuckers so tediously self absorbed.

The grey space can only exist because black and white exist which means this special person needs to put me in one box or the other for them to able to claim such fascinating uniqueness for themselves.

I wonder how upset they're going to be when the find out most of the population also inhabit that, oh so special, grey space.

drspouse · 18/04/2022 13:22

Does this woman ever talk to real people or only on Insta? Does she wear a badge saying "please refer to me as a girl"?

Fatherliamdeliverance · 18/04/2022 13:22

Good god that was utter tosh. No salient points made that I can identify.

Have you ever come across an online article where it's been translated to another language from English and back again? I'm not sure why they pop up from time to time but that's what this felt like reading.

I think the writer needs to find a clearer purpose in life rather than producing this waffle.

notwhatineednow · 18/04/2022 13:22

To be fair, later on, there is this, in another section about pronouns, which kinda gets close to recognising that your sex is simply biological. But then circles right back to the naval-gazing individual, implying that what's important is where people feel they fit within gender stereotypes and that you can identify out of sexism.

I know a fair few gender ideologues who think they can get rid of sexism by not recognising sex.

I think it's important we understand these arguments (even though they're quite plainly nonsense) as this is what's being promoted to young people.

I am a woman. I have no problem with that. And in fact, in some spaces I really want people to know that.
I think of all the women, the she/hers that have gone before me, led the way, forged a path so I could have certain opportunity. Fought for the right for me to be a She, with the same rights afforded to He.

And the fight isn't over. So...do you understand my dilemma?
Like if I choose They, am I abandoning Her?

And then there's Him. My big brother. Who I wanted to basically be. At a point in my childhood...like, definitely! I've got the photos to prove it.

But maybe I just wanted the same freedom to explore my masculinity, whilst being a She.

Fluidity.

Maybe that's why if you call me whatever, it doesn't really bother me.

And then, later...

I think my big issue is with the treatment that goes alongside the pronoun, actually.

Call me he, she or they but treat me as someone with value beyond whichever pronoun you say.

Call me like there's no hierarchy!

...meanwhile
...I'm still undecided.
And I might be undecided for a while.

I'm sorry if that's inconvenient. If I'm overcomplicating something simple. Actually sorry, I'm not sorry!
And it really is not simple.
This is complex stuff and I'll take my time… see how I feel.

Maybe I'm all. And that’s mine to decide. I decide how I am identified.
And ‘All’ is mine. And it means you could say:
All identifies as she/him and he/them, but they mainly want you to address her, as equal.

It's that simple.

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TheGreatATuin · 18/04/2022 13:23

The term for her dislike of the word 'woman' is 'internalised misogyny'.
I hope she manages to find her way past it, but if nothing else, quits trying to foist it on the rest of us.

ResisterRex · 18/04/2022 13:23

In amongst the BS is this:

Some were super specific like dyke or fag, that people have reclaimed for their identity

Very Stonewall. Bit like how they insist "queer" has been "reclaimed".

notwhatineednow · 18/04/2022 13:25

@MarshmallowSwede

I’m not even reading this nonsense.

There are biological women of colour so how in the fuck is the word woman racist?

I’m sick of these stupid people. They want to make everyone feel bad for wanting women to have separate spaces by saying if we are gender critical we are racist. Nice try but it’s bullshit.. women of color are women so how are you going to say them using the word woman is racist?

Is it not racist to tell a woman of color she can’t call herself a woman?

Fuck these people! It amazes me that most trans women are white men .. western white man and they have the audacity to now tell us they are the most oppressed group! Ans they have the audacity to tell women of colour the word woman is racist?

Isn’t the the behavior of a colonizer? So who’s the racist?

Fuck these men and the and dick pandering handmaidens going along with this. These men are mentally Ill and all the useful idiots going with it to make themselves feel better are weak willed and weak minded followers.

The problem is, this is what our DC are reading online.

Teenage girls are getting the message that there's something wrong with the word woman.

Young people think that to get rid of sexism you need to not recognise sex (that's sex base class analysis out the window then).

It's not just a bunch of idiots online, it's an influential cultural force that's shaping how many young people see the world.

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PermanentTemporary · 18/04/2022 13:25

I suppose I'm reminded, reluctantly, of nationality- that sometimes it feels crap to be the same nationality as people I disagree with in different ways. Of course nationality can be changed but it doesn't alter your past; alternatively you can reclaim it to make your own meaning, without pretending it doesn't exist. Accepting what can and can't be changed about your self and your life is called growing up. Not sure how much of that this person has tried to do.

notwhatineednow · 18/04/2022 13:25

*sex-based class analysis!

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tabbycatstripy · 18/04/2022 13:26

Sorry, still tosh. Basically, feel however you want, but if you’re expressing it like this, everyone else has the right to say they are not even slightly interested.

notwhatineednow · 18/04/2022 13:28

@tabbycatstripy

Sorry, still tosh. Basically, feel however you want, but if you’re expressing it like this, everyone else has the right to say they are not even slightly interested.
Yes, it's tosh. But it's not isolated tosh, that's my concern.

This isn't just one random person's rambling thoughts.

It's just one example of a wider movement that's pushing this ideology on children and young people.

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Stirlingline · 18/04/2022 13:29

Some people have too much time on their hands.

Artichokeleaves · 18/04/2022 13:33

Teenage girls are getting the message that there's something wrong with the word woman.

but only if you're female. If you're male then calling yourself a woman is a wonderful thing to be celebrated.

Likewise calling yourself a 'lesbian' if you're female is now naughty and implies you're one of those rotten homosexuals who think they're entitled to have a sexuality of their own won't do hetero sex for male benefit. Naice girls call themselves queer, or pan and signal their purity that way. But if you're male and call yourself lesbian? Well that's wonderful!

Anyone else seeing the bleeding obvious here?

This really rather disturbingly drenched in ideology person was involved in a theatre show to drench other children. Thank God the show has been cancelled.

Deliriumoftheendless · 18/04/2022 13:35

@TheGreatATuin

The term for her dislike of the word 'woman' is 'internalised misogyny'. I hope she manages to find her way past it, but if nothing else, quits trying to foist it on the rest of us.
And I’d put money (I only identify as having) on that coming from what she’s been told by men.
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