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Novel by Trans Woman author features death of JK Rowling, removal of womb from Black Woman

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Misstache · 18/04/2022 01:53

mobile.twitter.com/Slatzism/status/1515838080145666058?cxt=HHwWlMC9gfysq4kqAAAA

How is this ok? Enslaved Black women were actually subjected to no-anaesthesia hysterectomies, something it took years for the medical establishment to acknowledge, and longer to remove the statue of the w fire male doctor who tortured these women, but it’s ok to put that in a book? It’s ok to fantasize about killing actual women? So if we say “I’m not sure people who have been through male puberty should compete in Women’s categories in sports that’s “literal Genocide,” but a whole novel sadistically murdering and raping women is fine and progressive and can be sold?

This actually makes me sick.

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nauticant · 18/04/2022 08:55

It has been positively reviewed at the NPR (the closest to the BBC) in the US. By a trans man.

text.npr.org/1086399119

It gives a detailed summary of the book, and towards the end the reveiwer comments:

And today's "gender critical" feminists, as gender theorist Judith Butler has written, are buying into fascism.

If you do an image search on the author you will be very very unsurprised.

Faffertea · 18/04/2022 10:05

Once again, evidence of that thing we’re not allowed to mention.

FrancescaContini · 18/04/2022 10:09

Good grief

LizzieSiddal · 18/04/2022 10:11

Vile and sickening. What a surprise.

Artichokeleaves · 18/04/2022 11:10

Helpful optics indeed. Getting increasingly hard to deny the whole woman-hating, unhinged thing really, in the face of ever mounting evidence.

Thelnebriati · 18/04/2022 11:13

''And today's "gender critical" feminists, as gender theorist Judith Butler has written, are buying into fascism.''
I look forwards to Judith Butler or any of her acolytes actually providing evidence for that claim.

Meanwhile there has been a sudden rise of SM posts dehaumanising women, and now Amazon have stocked this book. There are plenty of people who have publically signalled that they are prepared to stand aside, turn a blind eye, or join in, if harm is caused to women.

I'd like to remind you of the 5 steps to tyranny;
kottke.org/16/11/five-steps-to-tyranny

1 - “us” and “them” (prejudice and the formation of a dominant group)
2 - obey orders (the tendency to follow orders, especially from those with authority)
3 - do “them” harm (obeying an authority who commands actions against our conscience)
4 - “stand up” or “stand by” (standing by as harm occurs)
5 - exterminate (the elimination of the “other”)

LittleWhingingWoman · 18/04/2022 11:20

Sex slaves out of them?
Listen Incel, women don't fantasise about men who want to kill women. Do you fucking get it?

I do hope JKR's legal team get hold of this. It's pure hate.

FromOurHatsToOurFeet · 18/04/2022 11:30

LittleWhingingWoman from Twitter yesterday: "As the brilliant janeclarejones said, 'People who are "affirmed" by experiences that women find frightening and dehumanising do not have the same political interests as women.' "

LittleWhingingWoman · 18/04/2022 11:34

Needs to be reported on Amazon. There's guidelines somewhere on content that glorifies rape. The publisher needs to be written to as well.

LittleWhingingWoman · 18/04/2022 11:45

www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201995150

Here is the US guidelines - trying to find the UK ones.

nepeta · 18/04/2022 16:04

TheInebriati (love your handle)
''And today's "gender critical" feminists, as gender theorist Judith Butler has written, are buying into fascism.''
I look forwards to Judith Butler or any of her acolytes actually providing evidence for that claim.

Someone somewhere in social media called the gender identity ideologists the 'Butler Youth'.

LittleWhingingWoman · 18/04/2022 18:00

Butler Youth! 😂😂😂😂

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 18/04/2022 22:44

@nepeta

TheInebriati (love your handle) *''And today's "gender critical" feminists, as gender theorist Judith Butler has written, are buying into fascism.'' I look forwards to Judith Butler or any of her acolytes actually providing evidence for that claim.*

Someone somewhere in social media called the gender identity ideologists the 'Butler Youth'.

The Butler Youth. I love it! One creed, one cult, one leader!
JC544D · 18/04/2022 23:12

No, The Lord of the Rings, by J. R. R. Tolkien

DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 09:18

@LittleWhingingWoman

Butler Youth! 😂😂😂😂
Oof.

If you have Amazon Prime, you can cancel your account and there are free text boxes to explain why you're doing so.

I agree, also, though, that this book is possibly a useful thing to point to for everyone who keeps telling us we need to 'be kind'.

So perhaps once again it's something we should be sharing widely.

NitroNine · 19/04/2022 12:00

Amazon’s content guidelines for the UK (for books) heavily suggest that they ought to withdraw it from sale. “Just” the glorification of rape being an incontestable feature is enough.

Imagine the absolute furore about hate speech there would be if someone had written about women sexually assaulting & murdering trans women. And rightly so: nobody should write violent filth like this. Or rather, their compulsion to do so is something they need to address in therapy. Publishing houses have no business being involved.

Ah yes, women, adults of the sex who make up 98% of the victims of trafficking & sex slavery. The ones who are more likely to be the victims of sexual assault than men; & who are vastly less likely than men - & trans women* - to commit sexual assault. Women who commit these kinds of crimes are so vanishingly rare that the people who jump up & down, pointing at them & demanding we take notice of how “women do it too!” don’t seem to have any answer (beyond shouting louder) as to how that tiny handful in any way compare to the seemingly endless procession of male persons who commit all sorts of sexual offences (including paedophilia & zoophilia) & violent offences (in which I include murder & manslaughter).

You could almost think it was a kind of false flag operation, because the content of this book throws huge amounts of sunlight onto people who don’t so much Just Want To Pee In Peace as Just Want To Take The Piss - & are very successfully doing so. The contents of that waste of perfectly good trees are what hatred looks like.

  • The issue here is that stats are in fact being skewed to close that gap courtesy of the practice of recording offences by self-declared “gender identity” (a concept with no legal standing in the UK) rather than by sex.
Thelnebriati · 19/04/2022 13:00

nepeta Butler Youth! 😂😂😂😂

I'm in two minds whether to report it to Amazon or not. Sunlight and all that...

beastlyslumber · 19/04/2022 14:58

I don't agree with banning books, on principle. I don't want any authors to be cancelled or sacked. It is offensive to me, yes, but anyone can claim offence and that isn't - and shouldn't be - good enough reason to curtail anyone's right to free expression.

I also think that this book looks so unremittingly bleak, misogynist and rapey that it will do a good job of exposing this ideology to more people.

FemaleAndLearning · 22/04/2022 11:22

TheGreatATuin · 18/04/2022 06:52

Thanks for this. There are a couple of low star reviews that go into detail about the story, plot and how these are very loose. Very interesting. The book does seem to be for a very 'niche' audience.

DomesticatedZombie · 22/04/2022 15:35

beastlyslumber · 19/04/2022 14:58

I don't agree with banning books, on principle. I don't want any authors to be cancelled or sacked. It is offensive to me, yes, but anyone can claim offence and that isn't - and shouldn't be - good enough reason to curtail anyone's right to free expression.

I also think that this book looks so unremittingly bleak, misogynist and rapey that it will do a good job of exposing this ideology to more people.

For sure. The one exception is where someone names a real person - as this author has done - especially when that's talking about them dying violently. That's crossing a line.

Kanaloa · 22/04/2022 19:29

beastlyslumber · 19/04/2022 14:58

I don't agree with banning books, on principle. I don't want any authors to be cancelled or sacked. It is offensive to me, yes, but anyone can claim offence and that isn't - and shouldn't be - good enough reason to curtail anyone's right to free expression.

I also think that this book looks so unremittingly bleak, misogynist and rapey that it will do a good job of exposing this ideology to more people.

So you’d be ok with someone’s free expression if it was you? Say someone you’ve worked with (who you know dislikes you) wrote a novel where a major plot point was you being viciously murdered. You’d think that’s ok because it’s the authors right to self expression? Or perhaps if you were a relative of one of the two women and their little boy who were murdered, used as a funny plot point in this book in a ‘haha they got what they deserved fashion.’ You’d think well that’s the author’s self expression.

Self expression is important but not when it’s used to justify the right to express your sexual fantasies of violently murdering and raping real life people.

beastlyslumber · 22/04/2022 19:36

Kanaloa · 22/04/2022 19:29

So you’d be ok with someone’s free expression if it was you? Say someone you’ve worked with (who you know dislikes you) wrote a novel where a major plot point was you being viciously murdered. You’d think that’s ok because it’s the authors right to self expression? Or perhaps if you were a relative of one of the two women and their little boy who were murdered, used as a funny plot point in this book in a ‘haha they got what they deserved fashion.’ You’d think well that’s the author’s self expression.

Self expression is important but not when it’s used to justify the right to express your sexual fantasies of violently murdering and raping real life people.

I don't think it's okay and no, I'd probably be devastated if it were me.

But if we say it's okay to ban books we don't like, we have to say it's okay to ban books we DO like. And if we say it's okay to ban books, we're going to be fucked. Because the books that'll get banned will be the ones by Helen Joyce or Julie Bindel or whichever other woman is saying the 'wrong' thing. Even JKR could have her books banned if we are banning books.

So it's about the principle. I'm very much NOT saying I think this is a good book or that the story is okay.

There's maybe a legal thing here, about how you can represent living people in fiction? IANAL but I wonder if there is something there. Maybe not - I think you can basically do what you want in fiction.

beastlyslumber · 22/04/2022 19:40

DomesticatedZombie · 22/04/2022 15:35

For sure. The one exception is where someone names a real person - as this author has done - especially when that's talking about them dying violently. That's crossing a line.

Is there a legal restriction there? I did wonder.

Personally I think the whole thing crosses many, many lines. But I wonder if a publisher would put this out if it broke the law. Tor is a reputable publisher (or used to be, anyway) so you'd think they'd have lawyers. But who the fuck knows these days.

Kanaloa · 22/04/2022 19:42

I think it’s kind of a grey line. I mean American Psycho features a passage where the protagonist chats to Tom Cruise - while he doesn’t murder Tom Cruise there’s an obvious and rather odd parallel drawn between the two characters and I can’t imagine it’s something an actor like Cruise would have wanted to be associated with. But that was allowed. I think basically the person unhappy with their representation would need to come forward and complain/take legal action.

sweetgrapes · 22/04/2022 19:46

DifficultBloodyWoman · 18/04/2022 06:39

So apparently not every author requires a sensitivity reader.

FFS!

Oh yes! I had forgotten that such jobs exist. Vile misogyny is just fine, it seems.

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