12yr old non-binary girl wants to stop periods, group admin suggests a hystorectomy

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From Colin Wright@swipe wright on twitter

From the Facebook group "Parents of Trans/Non-Binary Kids" with over 9K members.

Parent posts that her "nonbinary" or "gender fluid" 12yo female child wants to stop her period (you don't say!).

Group Admin replies and suggests, among other things, a HYSTERECTOMY.

The other pathways of blockers and testosterone also seem very extreme for a 12 year old girl who is 'non-binary'.

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I'm a 26 year old with two children and my GP won't even consider referring me for sterilisation to stop me conceiving anymore. I don't even care about keeping the periods. Nobody's going to perform this surgery on a 12 year old, regardless of how they identify.

How many Adult females have been repeatedly denied a hysterectomy, where there is a extreme medical need? Thousands!

This really needs to stop now. We need some adults to be in charge.

This is appalling.

They wouldn’t give me a hysterectomy at 50!! Maybe if I said I was now a man? Rather than just my year long mega period

I don’t think it’s about whether any surgeon would actually do a hysterectomy on a 12 year old in this circumstance. It’s about the fact that there are people, activists and ideologists, who are so willing to throw out these batshit ideas in the name of being “supportive”.

Batshit ideas start off like this, then grow, then comes the lobbying and the pressure. The post demonstrates how far the ideology has progressed into utter batshittery, that someone would blithely throw out major permanent surgery as a solution to the psychological distress a child is feeling.

It demonstrates quite clearly that there are people involved in this movement that do not have the best interests of children at heart.

I really hope the detransitioners, in significant numbers, start to publically sue the clinicians who misinformed them soon. That more young adults join Keira Bell and push for protection of future vulnerable children.

I think that dislike of periods is closely related to the desire of a lot of girls to be "non-binary". And who can blame them, especially early on they suck.

Hysterectomy and PBs seem a crazy approach even if you wanted to do something, a bc shot seems a lot more sensible if that's the real desired effect. But I guess the issue is, since girls who want that aren't seen as being under the trans umbrella they are only likely to offer it for periods if they are seen to be abnormal.

In general our culture now is really very into this idea that you should engage in body modification if you don't like almost anything about it. I've even noticed a real uptick on the chat areas of the forum where people talk about getting work done. It's part of an overall attitude.

I think that for most girls, learning to manage your period is a good thing long term, even though it can take some time. Lots really have very little idea what's going on biologically or how to deal with problems or their real causes.

This is child abuse. And any doctor performing su chi a surgery should go to prison.

I think that dislike of periods is closely related to the desire of a lot of girls to be "non-binary". And who can blame them, especially early on they suck

Honestly I think we do this to them.
Weird obsessions with arbitrary age cut offs fir anything relating to growing up. The more we try and pretend there's no difference between boys and girls the more we put girls in a situation where they cant help bit he uncomfortable while the parents pat themselves on the back for being one of the few who aren't sexulising a child. Of course what that means is an 8 year old girl is treated just like an 8 year old boy so she's allowed bikini bottoms but no top. Or she's not allowed crop tops because there's nothing there when all her class friends wear one. They are just kids so no one steps in and tells teachers their daughter hates changing in the classroom with the boys. Nope. No difference. Carry on until there is. We keep putting them in these situations without privacy or space because acknowledging their bodies is somehow sexualising them . Parents can't handle their daughters growing up. Like suddenly because they start their periods or need a bra they are no longer their little girl . I'm in a face book group where there have been several discussions on bow the parents aren't prepared for this they are too young. Take her to the dr and get it stopped etc at 8/9. Actually advising drugs into the healhy bodies if 8 ajd 9 years olds . If the parents cant handle it how the hell are the kids meant to.

A girls body should never hold her back. Bit that doesn't mean we pretend she's not old enough to make the necessary judgements and keep placing adult interpretations on everything wheb the chances are she just liked the cat picture on the crop top/bikini top.

The reasons may be considered nore " noble" or " appropriate " but the end result is the same..little girls clothing policed and her being made to feel her clothes and her body is wrong.

We freak them out as parents. We do this. We aren't ready or prepared ourselves. We place our experiences of poorly handled puberties onto them. Instead of preparing them properly we join them in the misery and embarrassment.

They are still children they are the same little girl that they were the day befire nothing has changed. We need to learn to be sympathetic bit not immediately indulge and get lost in the trauma and embarrassment.

That's an interesting point, Whatwouldscullydo

One thing I would say though is that although it is absolutely true that little girls still feel like little girls once they begin puberty, and I think they should be able to remain little girls, I'm not sure it is really a good idea to pretend that their bodies haven't changed.

It's not some random sexualization of their bodies that is being imposed. They are actually developing secondary sexual characteristics which are noticeable and a very deep seated signal of reproductive fertility. If you have girls in that stage of life who are wearing what in adults would be sexualized clothing, that's what it will do to them, as well. You can tell people all day they shouldn't think that way, but a million years of evolution can't just shut off those parts of the brain.

The real problem there IMO is that we've created a situation where we put quite young, prerpubescent girls in these same kinds of adult styles. Which is maybe a bad idea in general but at least to some extent the effect is different. But I don't see how we can expect girls who enter puberty to do so seamlessly. If we want adults to read this group as children we really should have some clear differences between what adults and kids wear that don't look like sexualized adult clothing.

Quite a lot of children (whether male or female) don't particularly like puberty or the changes that will occur to their body. It's something different, something unknown, they would prefer to stay as children, it's not "non-binary".

Unfortunately we as humans think we're more powerful than nature and can control these basic elements.

We should be counselling children, not operating on them. Unfortunately that is considered "conversion therapy".

Child abuse

Just appalling and stupid. Going through puberty is stressful for teenagers and periods are a shock and for many painful - but to suggest surgery is just wrong. The whole movement towards normalising the idea that you can just become another gender and that there are more than two genders is just ludicrous. The sooner society moves on and the dangerous adults who promote such rubbish disappear the better.

I asked my midwife during my last pregnancy, for a hysterectomy after I had my baby to avoid any accidental pregnancies in the future only to be told, contraception was so good nowadays that they wouldn't even consider it (the doctors not her) without medical reasons. I'm now 7 weeks pregnant with an unplanned pregnancy while on the implant that has caused no end of stress and tension in my marriage! 😡 but a 12 year old doesn't want periods so hey why not??!!

I was in my mid-thirties with 2 children under 12 but older than 6.

I had a long standing hernia from my second pregnancy. The consultant ummm and ahhhhed and finally said 'I'll only recommend you for surgery if you are 100% sure you will not have anymore children'

I said 'I'm not having any more'. I was adamant. He made me repeat it 3 times and kept saying 'are you sure? Because it will be a wasted surgery'.
In the end he very reluctantly recommended me for the surgery, quite obviously and utterly unconvinced I wouldn't be back in the same hospital in a year on the maternity ward. I was really annoyed by what I considered a paternalistic attitude from a medical professional.

But he wasn't wrong! I didn't have anymore children, but when I hit 38 just a few years later my biological clock upped the ante on me so much that tears came to my eyes every time a friend of mine got pregnant. I had no pragmatism about it at all. I just needed another child. I am quite ill, so I feel it really was my body saying now or never! But there was no man in the picture and thankfully the urgent need to have another baby damped down in my early forties, but it goes to show that you simply cannot make a choice about terminating your fertility at such a young age.

Parents who encourage this in their children disgust me.

Yeah, the reason they are so reluctant is that statistically, women do very often change their mind about having kids later on, even when they are in their thirties. It's sensible medically to see if other irreversible options would work.

Which makes it all the more crazy that they think teenagers could make decisions like that.